Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws"

[_Albion]

Of course it is a "dumb" argument, gedemetz, but no less so than the one you employ by ignoring Biblical history and context and extrapolating a presumed support for Smith's falsehoods. I will not comment on this particular topic any longer since I am wasting my breath but it you want to continually throw it up, have at it.

[_gdemetz]

It's dumb clearly because if it is stating that they were acting like gods, then why does it say in the same sentence that they are the children of the Most High?!? You see, you do need my braille version after all!!!

[_Spektical]

Mormonism's falsity is almost painfully obvious once its history and truth claims are examined critically. It's too new and too well documented. The Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham crumble under scrutiny.

Traditional Christianity fares only slightly better because of its relative age and the obscurity of its origins. If the technology and knowledge that we have today had existed in the second century, Christianity would have been just as easily dismissed back then as Mormonism is now.

[_gdemetz]

It is only "dismissed" for the same reason that Christ was "dismissed" by the unbelieving Jews who crucified Him! It they could have gotten their secular heads out of their secular (deleted) and looked deeper into his teachings, miracles, and how His life fulfilled so many prophesies written centuries before His time, and some of which He had no control over (such as what happened to the thirty pieces of silver), then they would have begun to see and learn, but they were too evil, stubborn, hard hearted, and spiritually blind! It's the same with those types today! Despite the miracle of the Book of Mormon with all the witnesses and testimonies, etc., as well as how the restored church fulfills so many Biblical prophecies, the blind will not see!!!

[_Spektical]

It is only "dismissed" for the same reason that Christ was "dismissed" by the unbelieving Jews who crucified Him! It they could have gotten their secular heads out of their secular (deleted) and looked deeper into his teachings, miracles, and how His life fulfilled so many prophesies written centuries before His time, and some of which He had no control over (such as what happened to the thirty pieces of silver), then they would have begun to see and learn, but they were too evil, stubborn, hard hearted, and spiritually blind! It's the same with those types today! Despite the miracle of the Book of Mormon with all the witnesses and testimonies, etc., as well as how the restored church fulfills so many Biblical prophecies, the blind will not see!!!

gdemetz I'm new here and have no history with you, but let me point out that every sentence in the above post ends with at least one exclamation mark. I will humbly submit that, as a general rule, an inverse relationship exists between your persuasiveness and the number of exclamation points you employ.

[_sleepyhead]

It is only "dismissed" for the same reason that Christ was "dismissed" by the unbelieving Jews who crucified Him! It they could have gotten their secular heads out of their secular (deleted) and looked deeper into his teachings, miracles, and how His life fulfilled so many prophesies written centuries before His time, and some of which He had no control over (such as what happened to the thirty pieces of silver), then they would have begun to see and learn, but they were too evil, stubborn, hard hearted, and spiritually blind! It's the same with those types today! Despite the miracle of the Book of Mormon with all the witnesses and testimonies, etc., as well as how the restored church fulfills so many Biblical prophecies, the blind will not see!!!

Hello gdemetz,

The above post is very antisimetic and untrue with regards to the Jews. The Jews didn't crucify Jesus, the Romans did.

[_madeleine]

Mormons are the only people who I know of that think God is going to show up when you pray about a book. I have never met a Catholic or mainline Protestant who has prayed, asking if the Bible is true. Catholics, in particular, are not sola scripture.

Well, that is where we differ. I don't believe in a God that doesn't show up at all and that you can't see or talk to. And I also didn't say Mormons were praying over a book. A book is just a thing and doesn't matter. Your relationship with God is what matters. The book is just an instrument to get you to seek and speak with and follow God. That's the point of the scriptures after all.

Most Christians I know of, take "Word of God", quite literally when discussing the Bible. Particularly for Christians, the Word is Jesus Christ, so the Gospel narratives have a high importance. God acts in and through humans, human acts portrayed in the Bible aren't necessarily the Word or work of God. This doesn't make the Bible corrupt, it makes it more credible. If God only acted outside of our existence, what would be the point? That is where I see Mormonism failing. Sometimes God is around, sometimes God is not....like some sort of shadow that can only be seen in the right circumstances.

No one said a person can't talk to God, or receive guidance from God. That is a Mormon teaching about other religions. Just one of their many errors (lies, really).

I agree there is a level of faith, but faith does not preclude reason. They exist together. I don't see this coexistence in the context of Mormonism. The Book of Mormon also doesn't "fit" into Christianity, which could be whole thread to itself. The reasoning that Mormons use to justify it, if taken seriously, don't align to Christian teaching or belief, or even to the context of the Bible. As an example, the "other stick" they use as scriptural evidence for the Book of Mormon, isn't talking about the Book of Mormon at all.

[_gdemetz]

Sleepyhead, it was the Jews who were behind the crucifixion of Christ. Pilate did not want to crucify him, but washed his hands of the matter, and left it up to the Jews who gave the verdict.

[_sleepyhead]

Sleepyhead, it was the Jews who were behind the crucifixion of Christ. Pilate did not want to crucify him, but washed his hands of the matter, and left it up to the Jews who gave the verdict.

So if I have a holy book that says LDS perform sex orgies in the temple you wouldn't see a problem with me promoting that viewpoint since the book would be part of my scripture?

[_sleepyhead]

Hello,

Just a further note here. According to the gospels, the saducees (those are the ones that didn't believe in angels or the afterlife) wanted Jesus killed because they were afraid he was going to lead the people in a revolt. The torture that is in there is all the idea of the Romans.