SteelHead wrote:Well, I am asking for some manipulation of the Daniel prophecies to come up with a more concise date. I know a couple of board members already believe we are in the millenium. The JWs have published a date based on the Daniel machinations.
So I am asking for Frank's, Jo's etc. dates. Best guess even, +- 50 years.
No sign is given to those who do not believe. No date is given because no date is supplied. If you wish a date go find one. I hear match.com works fine.
SteelHead wrote:Well, I am asking for some manipulation of the Daniel prophecies to come up with a more concise date. I know a couple of board members already believe we are in the millenium. The JWs have published a date based on the Daniel machinations.
So I am asking for Frank's, Jo's etc. dates. Best guess even, +- 50 years.
~35 years ago a seminary teacher I knew had it worked out to 1989. And I mean, worked out, very precisely. The Mormon millennial fever of the last part of the 20th century had most Mormons I knew thinking that the year 2000 was it, give or take 10 years. The 7000th year, according to Mormon reckoning, is supposed to be the 7th day; a day of rest. Evangelicals have similar beliefs. Most people are not millennialists.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
A good sign the end of the dispensation is probably closer than farther away is that people are saying it is past due and wondering why hasn't it happened yet. Watch the signs and when the son of Man appears you know it is time.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
I did at one time use 2 Peter to figure out when the third day started. If one day is as a thousand years. It started around March of 2003. I did this because it may be a pattern that Jesus would return in three days like He was buried for three days. He did rise in the third day. Of course I did not figure that out until after 2003. So if the calc is right He would not come before the third day. But now that we are in the third day we still don't know when He will come. Any attempt to figure it out is a waste of time.
Franktalk wrote:I am going to throw out some ideas about dispensations. Some we know about and some are just guesswork. The ideas I present are not really a belief system but just things I ponder when I try and see the big picture.
There is a large dispensation that covers the whole plan of salvation. Let us say for a second that dispensations have been going on for a long time. And that what we read in Genesis is just the start of a new one. But before we go there let us look at the book of Revelation. Just what does the world look like after the Tribulation period. Most things are gone. Burned up or in some way destroyed. Most life on the planet is gone. Then we have elements burning up and a new earth. But does this mean a complete redo or does it mean a makeover. I suspect a makeover. I say this because in 2 Peter in describing the flood it states that the earth that was perished. But many things before the flood were around after the flood. Yes there were some changes but I suspect many buried things remained as they were. But I suspect most things were changed near the surface. Moving water and rock tends to grind things to powder. So with Revelation and the Flood in mind maybe we can look at Genesis as a new earth in much the same way we have a new earth in Revelation and an earth perished during the flood. If indeed this is true then what remained of the last dispensation before the Garden of Eden?
I think it's possible that the Earth has experienced many makeovers and Adam and Eve were at the beginning of this current makeover. How many makeovers since creation itself? I don't know. Each one though I believe had human life created in the image of God. If one trusted the carbon dating theories etc. (I don't) then you may be able to surmise what remains here from before the beginning of this current dispensation which began some 6,000 years ago.
Then saith He to Thomas... be not faithless, but believing. - John 20:27
Franktalk wrote:I am going to throw out some ideas about dispensations. Some we know about and some are just guesswork. The ideas I present are not really a belief system but just things I ponder when I try and see the big picture.
There is a large dispensation that covers the whole plan of salvation. Let us say for a second that dispensations have been going on for a long time. And that what we read in Genesis is just the start of a new one. But before we go there let us look at the book of Revelation. Just what does the world look like after the Tribulation period. Most things are gone. Burned up or in some way destroyed. Most life on the planet is gone. Then we have elements burning up and a new earth. But does this mean a complete redo or does it mean a makeover. I suspect a makeover. I say this because in 2 Peter in describing the flood it states that the earth that was perished. But many things before the flood were around after the flood. Yes there were some changes but I suspect many buried things remained as they were. But I suspect most things were changed near the surface. Moving water and rock tends to grind things to powder. So with Revelation and the Flood in mind maybe we can look at Genesis as a new earth in much the same way we have a new earth in Revelation and an earth perished during the flood. If indeed this is true then what remained of the last dispensation before the Garden of Eden?
I think it's possible that the Earth has experienced many makeovers and Adam and Eve were at the beginning of this current makeover. How many makeovers since creation itself? I don't know. Each one though I believe had human life created in the image of God. If one trusted the carbon dating theories etc. (I don't) then you may be able to surmise what remains here from before the beginning of this current dispensation which began some 6,000 years ago.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
GR33N wrote: I think it's possible that the Earth has experienced many makeovers and Adam and Eve were at the beginning of this current makeover. How many makeovers since creation itself? I don't know. Each one though I believe had human life created in the image of God. If one trusted the carbon dating theories etc. (I don't) then you may be able to surmise what remains here from before the beginning of this current dispensation which began some 6,000 years ago.
I'm sorry... I mostly lurk here. Too many topics that get reduced to name calling and emotional responses based on negative perceptions. I would probably post more often if it were otherwise. :) I had read the linked post and didn't feel like jumping in at the time. Since you specifically requested I did post a response.
Then saith He to Thomas... be not faithless, but believing. - John 20:27