LittleNipper wrote:We will never know. Right now all you should be concerned with is where you will spend eternity. That is something which you can influence.
How did the babies drowned in the flood influence their eternity based on their actions on earth?
A baby that dies faces an entirely different eternity based on its deeds than a thirty year old who scorns God and does exactly what he or she pleases.
LittleNipper wrote:A baby that dies faces an entirely different eternity based on its deeds than a thirty year old who scorns God and does exactly what he or she pleases.
What age is the cut off point or is it a sliding scale? So, if babies that die have a plan B, so to speak, what is the point of plan A?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Bond James Bond wrote:How many pregnancies did God terminate by His own will?
So do you convict judges and juries instead of criminals? Is the criminal responsible for his behavior?
If we are here to experience good and evil and the balance becomes two far to one side does God have the moral right to level the learning field?
God leveled the moral playing field by terminating pregnancies and drowning babies, toddlers, and small children under the age of adulthood? Eight apparently in the Mormon tradition.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
LittleNipper wrote:We will never know. Right now all you should be concerned with is where you will spend eternity. That is something which you can influence.
Let's assume he terminated at least one pregnancy. Does that make him an abortionist or a murderer?
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
LittleNipper wrote:We will never know. Right now all you should be concerned with is where you will spend eternity. That is something which you can influence.
Let's assume he terminated at least one pregnancy. Does that make him an abortionist or a murderer?
Does this question make you a Sadducee or a Pharisee?
Franktalk wrote:I have thought about the flood in population terms myself. I use a start of age date of 5810 BC and a flood date of 3554 BC. Then I use the population growth rate of the Jews while they were in Egypt for 400 years. Then I added to that rate the longer life span and longer productive years for offspring. With this all in mind the population should have been at least a billion people.
So by your calculations the earth is 7,800 years old. Or at least that's when humans first made their appearance. Do you hold the belief that each day of creation was a thousand years long or do you go with the million years for a day concept?
Did dinosaurs ever exist or were they planted here by extra-terrestials? If the dinosaurs lived on the earth, did they also had extended life patterns or was their life rythymn a speeded up process? What about dragons? and giants?
And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love...you make. PMcC
Franktalk wrote:I have thought about the flood in population terms myself. I use a start of age date of 5810 BC and a flood date of 3554 BC. Then I use the population growth rate of the Jews while they were in Egypt for 400 years. Then I added to that rate the longer life span and longer productive years for offspring. With this all in mind the population should have been at least a billion people.
So by your calculations the earth is 7,800 years old. Or at least that's when humans first made their appearance. Do you hold the belief that each day of creation was a thousand years long or do you go with the million years for a day concept?
Did dinosaurs ever exist or were they planted here by extra-terrestials? If the dinosaurs lived on the earth, did they also had extended life patterns or was their life rythymn a speeded up process? What about dragons? and giants?
Did you ever imagine that what we today call dinosaurs, the ancients called dragons? "And the day and the morning was the first day."------ meaning 24 hours. Isn't God great!
LittleNipper wrote:Did you ever imagine that what we today call dinosaurs, the ancients called dragons? "And the day and the morning was the first day."------ meaning 24 hours. Isn't God great!
How old, approximately do you think the earth is and why?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
bcuzbcuz wrote:Ah, I get it. The wages of sin is death. People who sin deserve to die, right? I seem to remember you saying you had the right to kill someone who threatened your family. The wages of sin and all that.
I have to ask who owns your life in the flesh?
Is your god a slave owner?
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
bcuzbcuz wrote:So by your calculations the earth is 7,800 years old. Or at least that's when humans first made their appearance. Do you hold the belief that each day of creation was a thousand years long or do you go with the million years for a day concept?
Did dinosaurs ever exist or were they planted here by extra-terrestials? If the dinosaurs lived on the earth, did they also had extended life patterns or was their life rythymn a speeded up process? What about dragons? and giants?
I do not hold to any exact dates. I believe in miracles in the past and how they may have affected what we call trace evidence. So large scale time projections do not hold much value to me. They seem to be somewhat consistent with each other but any changes to the nature of reality by supernatural means would have serious implications to all matter in any form. Now having said that it appears that we are in a new age that started around 5800 BC. What was before that we have some evidence of. Like dinosaur bones. But all of this fine detail that some declare in science is too much for me to accept. There are just way to many assumptions that I can not accept. It really comes down to accepting a steady state (kept in store) universe for 4.5 billion years or so or accepting that supernatural events have happened in the past. I believe that supernatural events have happened in the past and will again occur in large scale events on the earth. Right now the earth is being held in stasis by supernatural forces that we can not observe. This near steady state has been misinterpreted by science. That is my belief.
As for dragons I do not believe what Carl Sagan believed.
It is my belief that events will soon come about which have been declared in prophecy. I believe we will be in wars that will dwarf all other wars of the past. I believe we will be in world wide famines. There are signs that we may be going into a cooling phase which in my mind would trigger these events. But maybe not. It will all play out just like it was seen by John the beloved.
