LDS Missionaries among the Homeless?

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Re: LDS Missionaries among the Homeless?

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bcuzbcuz wrote:
moksha wrote:Do LDS Missionaries ever go out among the homeless? Do they have a policy for or against such visits?


No! Of course they don't teach the homeless. How can they have family home evening if they don't have a home? Duhhh.


Nor can you HOME teach someone without a home.

How will deacons hound someone for money on Fast Sunday if they don't know where they live?

One or two may get through the net but this will never fly. Can you imagine a guy in a cardboard box that does not have a shower showing up at the meetings? A dirty white shirt will not be welcome.
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Bazooka wrote:How much, in donated $Dollars, gets spent on the above type of activity vs how much was spent on, say, City Creek?

Well. We know the Church has allocated $1.4 Billion dollars (total of cash, materials and time) to humanitarian causes and projects for the period 1985 - 2011.


Well, that number gets tossed around a lot these days, but, as is the case here, the context is usually completely ignored. First, it was 1985-2009. It was published in 2011. Next, the $1.4B were spent on international humanitarian aid, which, as the fact sheet from which the number originally and entirely comes explains quite clearly, is calculated entirely apart from all domestic welfare assistance. In other words, that $1.4B is what went to:

humanitarian relief and development projects around the world that benefit those of other faiths. These projects include emergency relief assistance in times of disaster and programs that strengthen the self-reliance of individuals, families, and communities.


What the church spent on welfare and feeding the needy in the States is an entirely separate number, which they have not publicized.

How much have you personally donated since 1985 to feeding and clothing the needy in your own community? Whatever it is, you can increase it every day by making this website your home page.
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maklelan wrote:
Bazooka wrote:How much, in donated $Dollars, gets spent on the above type of activity vs how much was spent on, say, City Creek?

Well. We know the Church has allocated $1.4 Billion dollars (total of cash, materials and time) to humanitarian causes and projects for the period 1985 - 2011.


Well, that number gets tossed around a lot these days, but, as is the case here, the context is usually completely ignored. First, it was 1985-2009. It was published in 2011. Next, the $1.4B were spent on international humanitarian aid, which, as the fact sheet from which the number originally and entirely comes explains quite clearly, is calculated entirely apart from all domestic welfare assistance. In other words, that $1.4B is what went to:

humanitarian relief and development projects around the world that benefit those of other faiths. These projects include emergency relief assistance in times of disaster and programs that strengthen the self-reliance of individuals, families, and communities.


What the church spent on welfare and feeding the needy in the States is an entirely separate number, which they have not publicized.

How much have you personally donated since 1985 to feeding and clothing the needy in your own community? Whatever it is, you can increase it every day by making this website your home page.


Mak, so, the Church spent 26 years worth of humanitarian aid on one shopping centre project in downtown Salt Lake City knowing it wasn't going to generate a return on the monies spent. Do you believe that Jesus Christ, the head of the Church, authorised that expenditure?
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maklelan wrote:What the church spent on welfare and feeding the needy in the States is an entirely separate number, which they have not publicized.

Why?
Is it a secret?
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ludwigm wrote:
maklelan wrote:What the church spent on welfare and feeding the needy in the States is an entirely separate number, which they have not publicized.

Why?
Is it a secret?


Because it's a tiny amount when compared to City Creek
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Bazooka wrote:Mak, so, the Church spent 26 years


24 years. I corrected you on this already. If you're not going to show me the courtesy of just reading what I say, or answering my direct questions, I really don't feel the need to waste additional time trying to disabuse you of these petty prejudices.
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maklelan wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Mak, so, the Church spent 26 years


24 years. I corrected you on this already. If you're not going to show me the courtesy of just reading what I say, or answering my direct questions, I really don't feel the need to waste additional time trying to disabuse you of these petty prejudices.


Humanitarian assistance rendered (1985–2011) $1.4 billion

http://www.LDS.org/bc/content/shared/co ... -sheet.pdf
(this sheet was, according to the footnote, published in 2012)

My maths might be off, but it sure looks like 26 years........

(And in answer to your question, any money I have obtained from people under the guise of wanting it for charitable causes has been spent on exactly that, charitable causes. Every. Single. Penny. Not salaries, not stipends, not investment funds, not apartments, not big fancy houses, not first class flights, not chauffeurs, not thousand dollar suits, not shopping malls.)
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maklelan wrote:How much have you personally donated since 1985 to feeding and clothing the needy in your own community? Whatever it is, you can increase it every day by making this website your home page.


The Hunger Site is not a charity; it is a for-profit corporation which donates the revenue from its advertising banner to selected charities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunger_Site
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Bazooka wrote:...(snip)...money I have obtained from people under the guise of wanting it for charitable causes has been spent on exactly that, charitable causes. Every. Single. Penny....(snip)...

care to upload a pic to Picasa (etc.) and link the image so that we may audit the documents that prove your claims here...
specifically the claim that you have:
1. obtained money from other people for charity
2. where "every single penny" was spent


footnote: use of the word "guise" is usually when the true nature of something is being concealed...not typically a term used when trying to promote one's sincerity or trustworthiness.

nevertheless,
we all eagerly await verification of your charitable claims.
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subgenius wrote:
Bazooka wrote:...(snip)...money I have obtained from people under the guise of wanting it for charitable causes has been spent on exactly that, charitable causes. Every. Single. Penny....(snip)...

care to upload a pic to Picasa (etc.) and link the image so that we may audit the documents that prove your claims here...
specifically the claim that you have:
1. obtained money from other people for charity
2. where "every single penny" was spent


footnote: use of the word "guise" is usually when the true nature of something is being concealed...not typically a term used when trying to promote one's sincerity or trustworthiness.

nevertheless,
we all eagerly await verification of your charitable claims.


Dropping blanks again....hey, you weren't flying over the great barrier reef recently, were you?

Do you feel Jesus Christ personally authorised/agreed the expenditure on City Creek? Yes/No
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