Cave men if there were cave men were not sailing the oceans.
really? "cave" men don't "sail oceans"? I'd love to see your reference for that.
'Cave men' is a foolish term that went out of use many years ago. People did live in caves, but also lived in constructed dwellings many millennia ago. None of that matters, though. The land bridge between North America and Siberia during the last ice age provided easy access for people of the old world to reach the new world.
Bomgeography is grasping at straws. The usual apologists hopeless hope.
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bomgeography wrote:How did Arabians get to North America 10000 years ago.
The glaciers were breaking up at that time, so after a journey by camel over the future silk road, they took a left turn northward and hopped an iceberg. Or perhaps sailed in a neolithic craft of very curious construction. Or the most romantic possibility would entail a magic carpet ride - remember this was the middle east and there were no laws restricting the use of hashish.
BOMgeo, did you actually read the article you linked? It doesn't mention any trans oceanic voyages, rather discusses various groups across Beringia and other land bridges. There are indications that folk may have made it to Brazil much earlier than previously thought. This does not help Mormon theology or the Book of Mormon. This article you linked talks about this DNA entering the gene pool 23K years ago. Also not helping your case. What you need to find is evidence for Semite dna entering the western hemisphere 2.5K years ago. Oh there isn't any.
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bomgeography wrote:Brant Gardner has been wrong about a lot things. He believes meso America is where the Book of Mormon took place. He's a little bias. The Hopewell stretched from the Gulf of Mexico to the Great Lakes. There trade was thousands of miles and were advanced in metal smithing and engineering and agriculture. A perfect fit
No not a perfect fit. The hopewell misses so much of what the Book of Mormon claims about technology, culture and political.
Oh and they have DNA from the Middle East.
No they don't have DNA from those living in the middle east around 3k years ago. Humans came out of Africa through the middle east long before the Book of Mormon so it shouldn't be surprising that they will have relationship to DNA found today in many places of the world. You admit dating is a huge problem for your hypothesis, but then dismiss it because it doesn't support what you want to believe. You don't provide any scientific reason to question the accuracy. Plus DNA dating can be confirmed with other dating techniques independent of DNA dating methods. Best way to see if a dating method is accurate is to check it with other dating methods. It is very unlikely they will both be wrong to the same dates.
The questions at issue fall within the province of archaeology and related sciences.
So, bomgeography, there is no reason for us not to expect peer-reviewed published research into these matters. It's the same situation as with Ed Goble's Egyptian cipher: you don't want to really test it. Any more than the Brethren really want to know if there's anything special about the seer stone or anything else buried in the Hill Cumorah. You want to try to find some already believing people and herd them off after your particular twist on the tale, but you don't have the courage to make the case to real skeptics. You're in a big boat with a whole lot of other paranormalists and pseudohistorians. Enjoy the ride.
You talk about "fit" and "evidence"? Put it out there in the world where it can be truly examined and verified or falsified. Quit lurking in the shadows and whispering. If it's "true", it will survive scrutiny.
Maksutov wrote:The questions at issue fall within the province of archaeology and related sciences.
So, bomgeography, there is no reason for us not to expect peer-reviewed published research into these matters. It's the same situation as with Ed Goble's Egyptian cipher: you don't want to really test it. Any more than the Brethren really want to know if there's anything special about the seer stone or anything else buried in the Hill Cumorah. You want to try to find some already believing people and herd them off after your particular twist on the tale, but you don't have the courage to make the case to real skeptics. You're in a big boat with a whole lot of other paranormalists and pseudohistorians. Enjoy the ride.
You talk about "fit" and "evidence"? Put it out there in the world where it can be truly examined and verified or falsified. Quit lurking in the shadows and whispering. If it's "true", it will survive scrutiny.
I would love to see professional researchers try and explain away the Nez pierce tribe Assyrian cultural links
There are no links. Nothing to explain away. The cuneiform tablet story is nothing but a story, no actual evidence. The symbol similarities are parallel mania.
Plus this is burden shifting. It is incumbent upon you to show that there is actually a link. Which hasn't been done in any way.
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