Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Creeds

The upper-crust forum for scholarly, polite, and respectful discussions only. Heavily moderated. Rated G.
Post Reply
_LittleNipper
_Emeritus
Posts: 4518
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:49 pm

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _LittleNipper »

I have a question wrote:The Bible is a deliberate political curation of Iron Age blog posts, written by people with an agenda who mostly didn't witness the events about which they are exaggerating blogging, pulled together by manipulative people with an agenda around power and control. Its contents are so ambiguous that they can be used to justify both ends and the middle depending on what the agenda of the person reading into them is.

The Book of Mormon is likewise an attempt at assuming power through the use of religious-based writing with barely hidden agenda of aggrandising and justifying the acts and intentions and status of the person involved in its production.

If you need either to keep your decision making "christlike" then you must be a pretty lousy human.

So what agenda did Adam have? What agenda did Job have? What agenda do you have?
_I have a question
_Emeritus
Posts: 9749
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:01 am

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _I have a question »

LittleNipper wrote:
I have a question wrote:The Bible is a deliberate political curation of Iron Age blog posts, written by people with an agenda who mostly didn't witness the events about which they are exaggerating blogging, pulled together by manipulative people with an agenda around power and control. Its contents are so ambiguous that they can be used to justify both ends and the middle depending on what the agenda of the person reading into them is.

The Book of Mormon is likewise an attempt at assuming power through the use of religious-based writing with barely hidden agenda of aggrandising and justifying the acts and intentions and status of the person involved in its production.

If you need either to keep your decision making "christlike" then you must be a pretty lousy human.

So what agenda did Adam have? What agenda did Job have? What agenda do you have?


'Adam' didn't write any of the works in the Bible.
'Job' didn't write Job.
I haven't written religious fiction and passed it off as real events, or curated a set of writings and passed it off as God being on my side.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
_LittleNipper
_Emeritus
Posts: 4518
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:49 pm

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _LittleNipper »

Paul did and so did Moses.
_I have a question
_Emeritus
Posts: 9749
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:01 am

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _I have a question »

LittleNipper wrote:Paul did and so did Moses.


Paul and Moses did what?
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
_LittleNipper
_Emeritus
Posts: 4518
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:49 pm

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _LittleNipper »

I have a question wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Paul did and so did Moses.


Paul and Moses did what?
They were used of GOD to write portions of the Bible. One Old and the other New Testament.
_I have a question
_Emeritus
Posts: 9749
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:01 am

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _I have a question »

I have a question wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Paul did and so did Moses.


Paul and Moses did what?
LittleNipper wrote:They were used of GOD to write portions of the Bible. One Old and the other New Testament.

Where did Adam and Job go?

What's your corroborating evidence that Moses was a real historical person?
Who wrote Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
_LittleNipper
_Emeritus
Posts: 4518
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:49 pm

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _LittleNipper »

I have a question wrote:
I have a question wrote:
Paul and Moses did what?
LittleNipper wrote:They were used of GOD to write portions of the Bible. One Old and the other New Testament.

Where did Adam and Job go?

What's your corroborating evidence that Moses was a real historical person?
Who wrote Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?

Adam and Job eventually died and want to Paradise. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE and JOHN... You may wish to consider: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/dai ... r-fiction/
_I have a question
_Emeritus
Posts: 9749
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:01 am

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _I have a question »

I have a question wrote:
I have a question wrote:
Paul and Moses did what?
LittleNipper wrote:They were used of GOD to write portions of the Bible. One Old and the other New Testament.

Where did Adam and Job go?

What's your corroborating evidence that Moses was a real historical person?
Who wrote Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?

LittleNipper wrote:Adam and Job eventually died and want to Paradise.
I meant in terms of you using them to make your point....<poof>they disappeared...
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE and JOHN... You may wish to consider: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/dai ... r-fiction/
I followed the link but can't find the support for actual people called Mathew, Mark, Luke and John authoring the gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Perhaps you can post the excerpt you had in mind...
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
_LittleNipper
_Emeritus
Posts: 4518
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:49 pm

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _LittleNipper »

I have a question wrote:
I have a question wrote:Where did Adam and Job go?

What's your corroborating evidence that Moses was a real historical person?
Who wrote Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?

LittleNipper wrote:Adam and Job eventually died and went to Paradise.
I meant in terms of you using them to make your point....<poof>they disappeared...
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE and JOHN... You may wish to consider: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/dai ... r-fiction/
I followed the link but can't find the support for actual people called Mathew, Mark, Luke and John authoring the gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Perhaps you can post the excerpt you had in mind...


Well, I was explaining the fact of Exodus. However, you may wish to see the following: https://carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and-by-whom
_I have a question
_Emeritus
Posts: 9749
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:01 am

Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr

Post by _I have a question »

I have a question wrote:
I have a question wrote:Where did Adam and Job go?

What's your corroborating evidence that Moses was a real historical person?
Who wrote Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?

LittleNipper wrote:Adam and Job eventually died and went to Paradise.
I meant in terms of you using them to make your point....<poof>they disappeared...
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE and JOHN... You may wish to consider: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/dai ... r-fiction/
I followed the link but can't find the support for actual people called Mathew, Mark, Luke and John authoring the gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Perhaps you can post the excerpt you had in mind...


LittleNipper wrote:Well, I was explaining the fact of Exodus.
I don't think 'fact' is the appropriate adjective for describing myth and legend that's been objectively disproved.
However, you may wish to see the following: https://carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and-by-whom

You may wish to see the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historica ... p_and_date

Tradition holds that the Gospel of Mark was written by Mark the Evangelist, as St. Peter's interpreter.[68] Numerous early sources say that Mark's material was dictated to him by St. Peter, who later compiled it into his gospel.[71][72][73][74][75] The gospel, however, appears to rely on several underlying sources, which vary in form and in theology, and which tell against the story that the gospel was based on Peter's preaching.[76]

Most scholars believe that Mark was written by a second-generation Christian, around or shortly after the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Second Temple in year 70.[77][78][79]

According to the majority viewpoint, this gospel is unlikely to have been written by an eyewitness.[86] While Papias reported that Matthew had written the "Logia," this can hardly be a reference to the Gospel of Matthew.[86] The author was probably a Jewish Christian writing for other Jewish Christians.[90]

It is generally agreed that the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles were both written by the same author, and they are often referred to as a single work called Luke-Acts.[110] The most direct evidence comes from the prefaces of each book. Both prefaces were addressed to Theophilus, and Acts of the Apostles (1:1-2) says in reference to the Gospel of Luke, "In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and teach until the day He was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles He had chosen." (NIV) Furthermore, there are linguistic and theological similarities between the two works, suggesting that they have a common author.[111][112] Both books also contain common interests.[113]

In the majority viewpoint, it is unlikely that John the Apostle wrote the Gospel of John.[117][118] Rather than a plain account of Jesus' ministry, the gospel is a deeply mediated representation of Jesus' character and teachings, making direct apostolic authorship unlikely.[119] Opinion, however, is widely divided on this issue and there is no widespread consensus.[120][121] Many scholars believe that the "beloved disciple" is a person who heard and followed Jesus, and the gospel of John is based heavily on the witness of this "beloved disciple."[122]

Most scholars date the Gospel of John to c. 90–110.[123]
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
Post Reply