LittleNipper wrote:I'm sorry, but most deep thinking people do not listen to teenagers whose Ideas of God are discovered in T-shirt shops or on a Play Station.
How old was Mary when she invented the story about getting knocked up by a ghost who ejaculated in her ear?
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LittleNipper wrote:I'm sorry, but most deep thinking people do not listen to teenagers whose Ideas of God are discovered in T-shirt shops or on a Play Station.
How old was Mary when ---
Wait a minute...
Or, better said, wait five or six years until LittleNipper reaches the New Testament (New Tales) volumes with this thread. 400 pages, 6000 replies, 200000 views. Approx.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
The ages quoted are pure speculation. In your hands they serve arbitrary prurient interest only. There have been other people in the past who have speculated similar ages to help the idea of Mary as perpetually virgin.(an awkward accounting for Jesus brother.
Do you believe in Mary perpetual virginity? If not you have no reason to use these ages except to be piggish.
huckelberry wrote:The ages quoted are pure speculation.
I'm aware of that.
huckelberry wrote:In your hands they serve arbitrary prurient interest only.
No--the story of the Annunciation is notable more for its absurdity than its prurience.
huckelberry wrote:There have been other people in the past who have speculated similar ages to help the idea of Mary as perpetually virgin.
No--Mary's age has nothing to do with whether her hymen remained intact after she was impregnated. She remained a virgin because she was impregnated through her ear, not her vagina.
huckelberry wrote:...an awkward accounting for Jesus brother.
Yep.
huckelberry wrote:Do you believe in Mary perpetual virginity?
Nope.
huckelberry wrote:If not you have no reason to use these ages except to be piggish.
No--the integrity of Mary's hymen has nothing to do with her youth. I only brought up the subject of her youth to counter Nipper's claim that adolescent confabulation plays no part in Christianity.
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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. --Yahoo Bot
I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Psalm 10:1-18 Why, Lord, do you keep away and hide in troubled times?
Through the boasting of the wicked, the poor become upset, They are caught in schemes that they themselves concocted.
Because the wicked boasts of what he wants, and cheaters are blesseb. His energy is wasted in disproving God.
His prosperity is controlled by misery; laws mean nothing to him; he mocks his enemies.
He thinks, “Nothing ever bothers me.” He swears, “No one will ever hurt me.”
His speaks lies and threatens continually; trouble and evil are in his quick responses.
He lies in wait around town. By surprise he murders the innocent. His eyes seek out his victims;
like a hidden lion he lies in wait. He lies in wait to catch the helpless. Those he catches he drags off in his net.
His victims are crushed, they faint; they come under his control.
He says to himself, “God sees nothing. He hides His face and doesn't see (There is no God).”
Get up Lord! Raise your hand. Do not ignore the helpless.
Why does the wicked man hate God? Why does he murmur, “He won’t call me to account”?
But you, God, do notice the problems of the afflicted; you consider their grief and work it out. The victims commit themselves to you; you assist the orphans.
Break the arm of the wicked man; call the evildoer to account for hidden wickedness
The Lord is King forever; the nations will be removed from His realm.
You, Lord, hear the desire of the afflicted; you strengthen them, and you listen to their prayers, defending the fatherless and the oppressed, so that mere earthly mortals will never again cause fear.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 Why, Jehovah, dost Thou stand at a distance? Thou dost hide in times of adversity,
2 Through the pride of the wicked, Is the poor inflamed, They are caught in devices that they devised.
3 Because the wicked hath boasted Of the desire of his soul, And a dishonest gainer he hath blessed, He hath despised Jehovah.
4 The wicked according to the height of his face, inquireth not. `God is not!' [are] all his devices.
5 Pain do his ways at all times, On high [are] Thy judgments before him, All his adversaries -- he puffeth at them.
6 He hath said in his heart, `I am not moved,' To generation and generation not in evil.
7 Of oaths his mouth is full, And deceits, and fraud: Under his tongue [is] perverseness and iniquity,
8 He doth sit in an ambush of the villages, In secret places he doth slay the innocent. His eyes for the afflicted watch secretly,
9 He lieth in wait in a secret place, as a lion in a covert. He lieth in wait to catch the poor, He catcheth the poor, drawing him into his net.
10 He is bruised -- he boweth down, Fallen by his mighty ones hath the afflicted.
11 He said in his heart, `God hath forgotten, He hath hid His face, He hath never seen.'
12 Arise, O Jehovah! O God, lift up Thy hand! Forget not the humble.
13 Wherefore hath the wicked despised God? He hath said in his heart, `It is not required.'
14 Thou hast seen, For Thou perverseness and anger beholdest; By giving into Thy hand, On Thee doth the afflicted leave [it], Of the fatherless Thou hast been an helper.
15 Break the arm of the wicked and the evil, Seek out his wickedness, find none;
16 Jehovah [is] king to the age, and for ever, The nations have perished out of His land!
17 The desire of the humble Thou hast heard, O Jehovah. Thou preparest their heart; Thou causest Thine ear to attend,
18 To judge the fatherless and bruised: He addeth no more to oppress -- man of the earth!
You're the one who made up the list ---- I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate an example of each occurrence.
I have, many times. You would know this if you took the time to read other people's posts before cutting-and-pasting your latest wall-of-text. But because I'm such a nice guy, I'll take a few minutes to review some of your more egregious blunders. To wit:
Circular Logic & Begging the Question: You rely almost exclusively on something called Presuppositional Apologetics. Unfortunately, Presuppositional Apologetics is essentially a systematized and institutionalized example of both circular logic and begging the question. (If you don't understand what this means you need to look it up, because this is important.)
False Attribution: Your bizarre-o claims that Chinese ideograms, specifically han(3)dz(4), are directly related to the Book of Genesis are a perfect example of false attribution.
Deception: Your attempts to minimize and obfuscate Protestantism's relationship with Antisemitism (specifically, the fact that Martin Luther's Antisemitic writings served as the intellectual foundation of the Holocaust) are perfect examples of deception.
!!!QUIZ TIME!!!
For ten points, can you explain how the following is an example of begging the question?
LittleNipper:"Peter O'Toole was sort of good in Lawrence of Arabia but he didn't rise from the dead." The Erotic Apologist:"Yes he did--or have you not seen Prometheus, yet?" LittleNipper:"Peter O'Toole died a drunk."
If you want examples of the remaining items on the list (special pleading, causal oversimplification, bait-and-switch) you'll have to do your own research and figure things out for yourself...because this is my day off and I'm planning to spend it by disassembling and repairing this cool old watch that was made in 1795:
Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. --Yahoo Bot
I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
