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LittleNipper wrote:Chinese characters began as picture writing.
So did Proto-Sinaitic script. Big fat hairy deal.


LittleNipper wrote:I spoke to a very learned Hindi gentleman who actually described English as a very primitive language.
I spoke to a very learned Chinese gentleman (in Mandarin) and he said you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

HINT: if you want to learn about Chinese, you should talk to Chinese speakers, not Hindi speakers.


LittleNipper wrote:He knew that Chinese began as picture writing and even fully understood that such characters often hold hidden and long forgotten meanings not understood or even realized by most individuals who speak the language in question.
See above.


LittleNipper wrote:As for the article I copied and pasted...
...but didn't bother to read, or check out the sources to see whether they even support the author's conclusions.


LittleNipper wrote:...it goes against what most students are taught...
If you mean students of science, then yes.


LittleNipper wrote:...but it is not unscientific...
How on earth would you know whether something is "not unscientific"?


LittleNipper wrote:...or even unreasonable.
See above.


LittleNipper wrote:It simply would not make a Uniformitarian or a evolutionist comfortable because it calls into question such individual's investigations and opinions.
See above.
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Psalm 21:1-13 To the director of music. A song of David.

The king enjoys your power, Lord.
The king's happiness is great through the victories You give.

You provide his heart’s desire and have not withheld his open requests.

You greet him with rich blessings and placed a crown of pure gold on his head.

He asked you for life, and you provided him with a length of days.

Great is his honor in Your salvation, honor, splendor and majesty you extended to him.

Surely you have granted him unending blessings and made him glad with the joy of your presence.

For the king trusts the Lord; by the unfailing love of the Lord he will not falter.

Your hand will capture all your enemies; your right hand will catch your foes.

When you appear for battle, you will burn them up as in a blazing furnace.
The Lord will swallow them up in his anger, and his fire will consume them.

You will destroy their descendants from the earth, heir posterity from mankind.

Though they have evil plans against you and develop wicked schemes, they will not win.

You will cause them turn and run when you take aim at them with drawn bow.

Be lifted Your strength, Lord; we will sing and praise your might.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 To the Overseer. -- A Psalm of David. Jehovah, in Thy strength is the king joyful, In Thy salvation how greatly he rejoiceth.

2 The desire of his heart Thou gavest to him, And the request of his lips Thou hast not withheld. Selah.

3 For Thou puttest before him blessings of goodness, Thou settest on his head a crown of fine gold.

4 Life he hath asked from Thee, Thou hast given to him -- length of days, Age-during -- and for ever.

5 Great [is] his honour in Thy salvation, Honour and majesty Thou placest on him.

6 For Thou makest him blessings for ever, Thou dost cause him to rejoice with joy, By Thy countenance.

7 For the king is trusting in Jehovah, And in the kindness of the Most High He is not moved.

8 Thy hand cometh to all Thine enemies, Thy right hand doth find Thy haters.

9 Thou makest them as a furnace of fire, At the time of Thy presence. Jehovah in His anger doth swallow them, And fire doth devour them.

10 Their fruit from earth Thou destroyest, And their seed from the sons of men.

11 For they stretched out against Thee evil, They devised a wicked device, they prevail not,

12 For Thou makest them a butt, When Thy strings Thou preparest against their faces.

13 Be Thou exalted, O Jehovah in, Thy strength, We sing and we praise Thy might!
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Most all the existing fossils are the direst result of Noah's Flood. Birds were among the last creatures to die as they could fly to higher ground quickly, but because of their size were obliterated and became fish food. The dinosaurs were mostly large creatures who succumbed early to the mass destruction. Their bones would eventually become much easier to find. People who will not accept the Flood simply miss so many scientific possibilities.
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Psalm 22:1-31 To the Music Director, regarding `The end of the Morning.' -- A song of David

My God, my God, why have You left me alone? Why are You not helping me, and my groaning?

O God, I cry all day, but You do not answer. I cry during the night without rest.

Yet You are holy. The praises Israel provide enthrone you. Our fathers trusted in You, and You saved them. They cried to You and were freed. They trusted You and were not ashamed.

I am a lowlife --- not a man. I am shamed by men, and hated by the everyone.

Everyone pokes fun at me. They open their mouths and wag their heads, and say,

“He trusts in the Lord. Let the Lord help him, and take him out of trouble, because God makes him content.”

But You brought me out when I was born. You made me trust when I drank my mother’s milk.

I was under Your protection from birth. Since my mother had me, You have been my God.

Do not be far from me, for trouble is near. And there is no one to help.

Many bulls have gathered all around me. Strong bulls of Bashan stand around me.

They shout at me, like a loud, hungry lion.

I am wasted. All my bones are pulled out of joint. My heart is worthless.

My strength is worthless as broken clay pot. My tongue clings to the roof of my mouth. And You lay me in the dust of death.

Dogs encircle me. A group of sinful men stand around me. They have cut through my hands and feet.

It's obvious how many bones I have. The people stare at me wide eyed.

They divide my clothes among them by drawing names to see who wins them.

But You, O Lord, be not far from me! My Strength, help me quickly!

Take me away from the sword. Save my life from the power of the dog.

Save me from the lion’s mouth, and from the horns of wild bulls You answer me.

I will make Your name known to my brothers. In the center of the meeting of worship I will praise You.

You who fear the Lord, praise Him. Jacob's children honor Him. Children of Israel, fear Him.

For He doesn't turned away from the suffering of the one in pain or trouble. He has not hidden His face from him. But He has heard his cry for help.

My praise will come You at the big worship meeting. I will keep my promises to Him before those who fear Him.

Those who suffer will have food and have enough. Those who seek the Lord will praise Him. May your heart live forever!

Everywhere on the earth will remember and turn to the Lord. All the families of the nations will worship Him.

A Holy nation belongs to the Lord, and He lords rules all nations.

All the fattened ones of the earth will eat and worship. All who are buried in the dust will fall to their knees before Him, even he who cannot keep his soul alive.

Future generations will serve Him. They will speak of the Lord to their children.

They at that time speak about His saving power to unborn generation. He has finished!

Here we have a prophetic rehearsal for the crucifixion of Christ.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 To the Overseer, on `The Hind of the Morning.' -- A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? Far from my salvation, The words of my roaring?

2 My God, I call by day, and Thou answerest not, And by night, and there is no silence to me.

3 And Thou [art] holy, Sitting -- the Praise of Israel.

4 In Thee did our fathers trust -- they trusted, And Thou dost deliver them.

5 Unto Thee they cried, and were delivered, In Thee they trusted, and were not ashamed.

6 And I [am] a worm, and no man, A reproach of man, and despised of the people.

7 All beholding me do mock at me, They make free with the lip -- shake the head,

8 `Roll unto Jehovah, He doth deliver him, He doth deliver him, for he delighted in him.'

9 For thou [art] He bringing me forth from the womb, Causing me to trust, On the breasts of my mother.

10 On Thee I have been cast from the womb, From the belly of my mother Thou [art] my God.

11 Be not far from me, For adversity is near, for there is no helper.

12 Many bulls have surrounded me, Mighty ones of Bashan have compassed me,

13 They have opened against me their mouth, A lion tearing and roaring.

14 As waters I have been poured out, And separated themselves have all my bones, My heart hath been like wax, It is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15 Dried up as an earthen vessel is my power, And my tongue is cleaving to my jaws.

16 And to the dust of death thou appointest me, For surrounded me have dogs, A company of evil doers have compassed me, Piercing my hands and my feet.

17 I count all my bones -- they look expectingly, They look upon me,

18 They apportion my garments to themselves, And for my clothing they cause a lot to fall.

19 And Thou, O Jehovah, be not far off, O my strength, to help me haste.

20 Deliver from the sword my soul, From the paw of a dog mine only one.

21 Save me from the mouth of a lion: -- And -- from the horns of the high places Thou hast answered me!

22 I declare Thy name to my brethren, In the midst of the assembly I praise Thee.

23 Ye who fear Jehovah, praise ye Him, All the seed of Jacob, honour ye Him, And be afraid of Him, all ye seed of Israel.

24 For He hath not despised, nor abominated, The affliction of the afflicted, Nor hath He hidden His face from him, And in his crying unto Him He heareth.

25 Of Thee my praise [is] in the great assembly. My vows I complete before His fearers.

26 The humble do eat and are satisfied, Praise Jehovah do those seeking Him, Your heart doth live for ever.

27 Remember and return unto Jehovah, Do all ends of the earth, And before Thee bow themselves, Do all families of the nations,

28 For to Jehovah [is] the kingdom, And He is ruling among nations.

29 And the fat ones of earth have eaten, And they bow themselves, Before Him bow do all going down to dust, And he [who] hath not revived his soul.

30 A seed doth serve Him, It is declared of the Lord to the generation.

31 They come and declare His righteousness, To a people that is borne, that He hath made!
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LittleNipper wrote:Most all the existing fossils are the direst result of Noah's Flood. Birds were among the last creatures to die as they could fly to higher ground quickly, but because of their size were obliterated and became fish food. The dinosaurs were mostly large creatures who succumbed early to the mass destruction. Their bones would eventually become much easier to find. People who will not accept the Flood simply miss so many scientific possibilities.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Stop! Too funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: Yer killin' me! :lol: :lol: :lol: And I'm not even Jewish! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nipper, you need to get back on your meds, stat!

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LittleNipper wrote:Most all the existing fossils are the direst result of Noah's Flood. Birds were among the last creatures to die as they could fly to higher ground quickly, but because of their size were obliterated and became fish food. The dinosaurs were mostly large creatures who succumbed early to the mass destruction. Their bones would eventually become much easier to find. People who will not accept the Flood simply miss so many scientific possibilities.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Stop! Too funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: Yer killin' me! :lol: :lol: :lol: And I'm not even Jewish! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nipper, you need to get back on your meds, stat!

Please see the following: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/sh ... hp?t=92131
What Fossils can Actually Tell us about Catastrophic Geological Events - May 10th, 2013, 10:34 AM

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Lots of generalizations can be made about fossils.

(1) Fossils don't come with a date.

But they do come to exist and form in a physical location.

Vertical location can help place the deposit of a fossil in temporal order,
although it cannot actually date the fossil. The layer in which it appears,
or the layers above and below, must be dated independently.

Horizontal Location can also help place a fossil in an ecological environment,
and associate it with other organisms, IF it was deposited in a gradually
accumulating layer, that functioned as a platform for an ecosystem over a
significant time.

In both cases, anomalies can affect the evaluation and/or validity
of conclusions about order, date, and environment.

Fossils can be intrusive, i.e., deposited in new locations by erosion and
migration, floods, glaciation, submersion, or bedrock faulting, buckling,
folding, and uplift, displacing their order relative to other deposits, and apparent age.

Organisms can be trapped and fossils formed in contexts that don't
represent their living habitats, because of catastrophic events, such as
floods, volcanoes, asteroids etc.

In any case, a fossil without a clear and unambiguous connection to
a location and context will be nearly worthless, except in the most
general and vague way, unless it can be dated, and/or its background
and context established by some other means.

A surprising amount of information can be gathered about a fossil,
even without a knowledge of its origin, however, especially in the
context of knowledge of current organisms, and the context of the
total knowledge of the world's fossil collections.

One of the saddest aspects of fossils presented to the public,
is the lack of information about their discovery and origin, and
the context in which they were found and the history of how they
became available for public examination.

Most fossils are not well documented as to how and where they were
discovered, what their geological surroundings were, and/or the
context of their origin. Typically, fossils are collected by amateurs
and vital information about their location is unknown.


(2) Fossils often give Immediate Clues about their Origin and Context.

This can be a 'lucky break' for investigators, because fossils are often
still embedded in a portion of their contexts, sometimes alongside other
objects that provide clues, or in a state that conveys information about
their creation and origin.

'Understanding Fossil Evidence'

No doubt about it, fossils are a fascinating, tangible glimpse into the past. They are like snapshots in time. How much time? That depends on your world view.

Concordia University professor Dr. Gary Locklair [gave a talk to] explore the topic. His presentation focused "on the different interpretive frameworks used by scientists in evaluating fossil evidence."

"Creationary and evolutionary scientists study the exact same evidence, the fossils, yet come to radically different conclusions about the origin of life on earth."

Differing conclusions were never more evident to me than while listening to the Park Ranger at Dinosaur National Monument last April:

He explained how 1 inch of sediment depth equaled X millions of years* in the Fossil Quarry, yet the huge fossilized dinosaur bones, entombed in the hill, were cemented in a span of sediment about 15-20 feet tall! Click for picture Some of the bones were random, others were from one animal, which points to some cataclysmic event.

In fact, at Fossil Butte National Monument, they even have a display case titled 'CATASTROPHE' to show that some sudden disaster accounted for these fish all dying at the same time.

It would also account for the sudden death of the fish, who never got to enjoy his dinner.
...
Creationists would say Noah's flood was the catastrophe.
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LittleNipper wrote:Please see the following: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/sh ... hp?t=92131

From your link:

Q: How come there are not any deposits of dinosaur bones and human bones in the same bone bed? How come human bones are always in layers above dino bones?

A: Because evolutionists define ages according to fossil content and ignore or destroy examples of dinos and men co-existing.
Q: How come there are not any deposits of dinosaur bones and human bones in the same bone bed? How come human bones are always in layers above dino bones?

A: God burnt them to a crisp, before drowning the dinosaurs. Ashes float. For a hint, read about Sodom. No pics were possible at the time.

What a load of crap! :lol:

Nipper, you really need to read this stuff before you link to it.
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LittleNipper wrote:Please see the following: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/sh ... hp?t=92131

From your link:

Q: How come there are not any deposits of dinosaur bones and human bones in the same bone bed? How come human bones are always in layers above dino bones?

A: Because evolutionists define ages according to fossil content and ignore or destroy examples of dinos and men co-existing.
Q: How come there are not any deposits of dinosaur bones and human bones in the same bone bed? How come human bones are always in layers above dino bones?

A: God burnt them to a crisp, before drowning the dinosaurs. Ashes float. For a hint, read about Sodom. No pics were possible at the time.

What a load of crap! :lol:

Nipper, you really need to read this stuff before you link to it.
I can say that people, "including professionals" can and do take some things for granted. There is no indication of what the population of man was at the time of the Flood. There may only have been a few hundred, a thousand a million, or a billion. There is no honest way to actually know. According to the Bible, Noah had only three sons and he was 600 years old when the Flood happened. There is every likelihood that meteors and asteroids hit the earth as a part of the Flood. So if man mostly lived together, one direct hit would have consumed them. There is some logic to the idea that a "modern" human fossil would likely be considered out of place if found around dino by an evolutionist. And another reality is that man would likely not live around dinosaurs for obvious reason ----- one of which being the mess such creatures would make of crops (at the very least). They may have lived continents apart.

We can not know how many dinosaurs there were at the time of the Flood. The shear size of some of them likely helped in forming fossils a lot easier than say smaller delectate mammals. Did all dinosaurs form fossils? Who knows? 1 in 2, 1 in 10, 1 in 100? Who can say with real honest precision. Uniformitarians have been concocting their theories for far longer than Creationists. In fact, it seems that believers simply accepted the Bible as fact and ignored the reality that there were a growing number of individuals working on theories for at least 100 years before "Creationism" became even labeled as such. The motivator was the 1963 Supreme Court decision against sponsored prayer and Bible reading as a scholastic encouragement of public education. Christian institutions basically handed the science departments over to uniformitarians and evolutionists for years because they believed that faith in the Bible was important and not proof. When seemingly overnight the Judeo/Christian Biblical institution was thrown out of Community public school that community lost much of its interaction. And public education which was once the champion of Biblical consideration, suddenly was at odds with the Church.

I tell you this because you seem under the notion that there is no proof for the Flood. The reality is that no one was fervently researching for any until about 50 years ago. And by that time such research and investigation was considered religious in nature. It as almost too late....................
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LittleNipper wrote:We can not know how many dinosaurs there were at the time of the Flood.

We know.
Zero. There were no flood, and there were dinosaurs.

How many Santa distribute the gifts?
Zero. Or have you another scripture fairy tale?

by the way again: the day of Santa Claus is 6th Dec, his nameday. The stupid english-speaking part of world put him erroneously onto the birthday of Joseph Smith. And this is a site about Mormon things.
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