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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Hey LittleNipper :smile:

As you continue to engage my atheistic/agnostic friends about things like fossils, C-14 dating, dinosaurs, radiometric dating, etc........ please know that while they are being mocked and utterly laughed at by most in this particular audience........these positions and stances are - have been - and continue to be seriously considered - providing some deeply interesting discussions - by many, many, many people.........most of whom are fairly rational and somewhat intelligent people.

:smile:

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LittleNipper wrote:I can say that people, "including professionals" can and do take some things for granted.
Then why did you link to a site that accuses scientists of destroying evidence of humans and dinosaurs living together?


LittleNipper wrote:There is no indication of what the population of man was at the time of the Flood.
Yes there is. There are a great many indicia of the size of human populations in the last ten thousand years.


LittleNipper wrote:There may only have been a few hundred, a thousand a million, or a billion. There is no honest way to actually know.
See above.


LittleNipper wrote:According to the Bible, Noah had only three sons and he was 600 years old when the Flood happened.
There's a term for this: mythology.


LittleNipper wrote:There is every likelihood that meteors and asteroids hit the earth as a part of the Flood.
Sure, there's plenty of proof of impact events, but there's no proof of a world-wide flood.


LittleNipper wrote:So if man mostly lived together, one direct hit would have consumed them.
See above.


LittleNipper wrote:There is some logic to the idea that a "modern" human fossil would likely be considered out of place if found around dino by an evolutionist. And another reality is that man would likely not live around dinosaurs for obvious reason ----- one of which being the mess such creatures would make of crops (at the very least). They may have lived continents apart.
Then why did you link to a site that accuses scientists of destroying evidence of humans and dinosaurs living together?


LittleNipper wrote:We can not know how many dinosaurs there were at the time of the Flood.
Yes we can. The number of non-avian dinosaurs that lived between 4,000 and 6,000 BCE was zero.


LittleNipper wrote:The shear size of some of them likely helped in forming fossils a lot easier than say smaller delectate mammals.
Wrong--microfossils outnumber macrofossils by many orders of magnitude.

HINT: it helps if you have a microscope if you want to see microfossils.


LittleNipper wrote:Did all dinosaurs form fossils? Who knows? 1 in 2, 1 in 10, 1 in 100? Who can say with real honest precision.
See above.


LittleNipper wrote:Uniformitarians have been concocting their theories for far longer than Creationists. In fact, it seems that believers simply accepted the Bible as fact and ignored the reality that there were a growing number of individuals working on theories for at least 100 years before "Creationism" became even labeled as such. The motivator was the 1963 Supreme Court decision against sponsored prayer and Bible reading as a scholastic encouragement of public education.
Wrong--the Bible out dates the scientific method by several thousand years.


LittleNipper wrote:Christian institutions basically handed the science departments over to uniformitarians and evolutionists for years because they believed that faith in the Bible was important and not proof. When seemingly overnight the Judeo/Christian Biblical institution was thrown out of Community public school that community lost much of its interaction. And public education which was once the champion of Biblical consideration, suddenly was at odds with the Church.
Sounds like cause for celebration!


LittleNipper wrote:I tell you this because you seem under the notion that there is no proof for the Flood. The reality is that no one was fervently researching for any until about 50 years ago. And by that time such research and investigation was considered religious in nature. It as almost too late....................
Your problem here is that you don't know the difference between "proof" and "evidence". This is a common mistake among scientifically illiterate individuals such as yourself.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Ceeboo wrote:--- most of whom are fairly rational and somewhat intelligent people.
Peace,
Ceeboo

And don't care the whales && raccoons ...

somewhat peace
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Hey ludwigm! :smile:

ludwigm wrote:
Ceeboo wrote:--- most of whom are fairly rational and somewhat intelligent people.
Peace,
Ceeboo

And don't care the whales && raccoons ...


From your link "The evolution of whales"

(Bold mine)

"The first thing to notice on this evogram is that hippos are the closest living relatives to whales, but they are not the ancestors of whales. In fact, none of the individual animals on the evogram is the direct ancestor of any other, as far as we know"

That's awesome! :lol:

Did someone mention something about fairly rational and somewhat intelligent people? :smile:

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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Sorry, nipper. These links simply repeat all the same crap you've already posted.

LittleNipper wrote:Please consider: http://www.creationmoments.com/radio/tr ... s-together
This site cites no sources.


LittleNipper wrote:http://apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=9&article=4664
This site admits no proof has been found of humans and dinosaurs living together.


LittleNipper wrote:http://www.discoverynews.us/DISCOVERY%20MUSEUM/DinosaurWorld/human_and_dinosaur_bones_in_the_same_rock_strata.html
This site fraudulently attempts to backdate a 200-year old Indian burial site to the Cretaceous era.


LittleNipper wrote:http://creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted.html
This site cites the work of Dr. Carl Baugh, a known liar whom other creationists have accused of fraud.


LittleNipper wrote:http://dinosaurc14ages.com/footprints.htm
This site also cites the work of Dr. Carl Baugh, a known liar whom other creationists have accused of fraud.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey LittleNipper :smile:

As you continue to engage my atheistic/agnostic friends about things like fossils, C-14 dating, dinosaurs, radiometric dating, etc........ please know that while they are being mocked and utterly laughed at by most in this particular audience........these positions and stances are - have been - and continue to be seriously considered - providing some deeply interesting discussions - by many, many, many people.........most of whom are fairly rational and somewhat intelligent people.

:smile:

Peace,
Ceeboo

Ceeboo, I have wondered a few times where to find a point of contact with young earth creationists. I am a creationist but feel that it is clear that what God created has been around and changing for millions of years. I thank God for the clarity and solidity of the world he has provided us to live in.

I feel some frustration that the discussion seems to lock into vague subjects. Why discuss carbon 14 and the degree of possible inaccuracy of those measurements. The geological age of the earth is not measured by carbon 14. Fossils are used as a way to try to clarify relative ages of groupings of rock strata . Of course there is uncertainty about exact ages. But why focus on that, the idea of an old earth does not come from fossils.

The observation of an old earth does not come from fossils.
The observation of an old earth does not come from the theory of evolution.

There are a number things which can be studied. To me the simplest is probably the best place to start. When I was still in junior high I started exploring the mountains in my neighborhood. I found by hiking that the hills are all shaped by processess of erosion. If you observe the erosion processes you can understand how places fit together.Doing that you can leave the roads and trails and strike off in any direction you please and keep track of where you are. You understand the land. Sometimes people do not do that and they find leaving the trail confusing. It is understanding how the shape of things fit together which allows us to be not lost in the world. I am thankful to God that the world has a clear order thing events and processes fitting together.

So I know a few canyons in detail I have seen how erosion works over a half century now. I have observed how processes which change rock only slowly have carved out huge excavations. It takes millions of years.

These canyons are cut in basalt , a hard igneous rock which was never soft and never easily eroded after a flood.

These canyons are the first door to the history of the world. they are the geological today and yesterday. the forming of the thousands of feet of basalt are another day earlier in the story. The sedimentary rocks buried deep under them are a series of earlier stories.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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FOR THE PICTURE OF THE YOUNG WOMAN ,FOOTBALL PLAYER AND THE FAMINE VICTIM.

I think there is value in asking and remembering the question of why the distribution of suffering in the world is unfair. A similar question is why is there too much suffering?

I have thoughts for those questions which are important to me but I know that my thoughts are far short of covering the question in total. I realize there are people for whom the questions indicate to them that there is no God. Other people do not reach that conclusion from that question.

I am unhappy with the pictures however. It seems to me the young woman has found something that she is seriously happy about. Perhaps her sister has a newborn child longed for. Perhaps the womans spouse has returned from a dangerous journey. There are many possiblities. Why the silliness about finding a key?

Now I admit that in frustration looking for something like a key under pressure I may have said thank God upon finding it. I bet only the most careful of atheists have not been guilty of the same indiscretion. Though this may reference a common guilt I do not see why this nice young women has been dragged into that. Why not let her enjoy her joy with out trivializing it?

I do wonder if in fact you really begrudge her her joy because in fact somebody else is suffering. Should we forswear all joy till. there is no one suffering? Probably not.

The phrasing of the words stuffed into the foot ball players mouth seem to have the same intention to present faith in the most trivialized fashion. I once listened to Yankee closer Mariano Rivera discuss the importance of prayer for him in his preparation to pitch. I do not remember the exact words but he expressed the attitude that a broad thankfulness helped him make the best effort he could. It was not some cheep miracle trick but an attitude towards life which encouraged his best effort.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey ludwigm! :smile:

Did someone mention something about fairly rational and somewhat intelligent people? :smile:

Peace,
Ceeboo

Hey Ceeboo!

I am angry at You. Really.
I use Webshots desktop, and the background is changing in every 15 minute. Imagine, there are about 17 thousand picture. But ...

Every time, when appears a magnificent whale, or a cute raccoon, I should think about You. And about that cow ---


Peace and peace


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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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