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[Guest]

Hey huckelberry

Ceeboo, I have wondered a few times where to find a point of contact with young earth creationists.

There are many.

Because of a very good and in real life beloved Brother and friend of mine who is a devout YEC, I have been sent a mountain of articles and information by him.
Off the top of my head, a couple points of contact would be:

1. A discussion forum called "Evolution Fairytale For Adults" - A lot of threads and discussions/debates about age of the earth, evolution, geologic column, Cosmology, etc .....And the forum members are a mix of atheists, YEC's and Theistic evolutionists (Perhaps from what you have shared with me - you would fit in here?)

2. Creation Worldview Ministries - This site was created by Dr. Grady McMurtry - He is a former professor who taught Darwinian Evolution - Billions of years old earth etc and now is a devout YEC.

I am a creationist but feel that it is clear that what God
created has been around and changing for millions of years.

While I am agnostic concerning the age of the earth (meaning that the statement - "creation has been around for millions of years" - is not at all clear to me), I completely understand your position and I have exactly zero issues/problems with it. As a Theistic Evolutionist (I assume that is where you fit?) you will have people who share your "millions of years" view (From both believer and non-believer) and others, like my YEC friends, who absolutely do not share them on the forum I suggested above.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_The Erotic Apologist]

FOR THE PICTURE OF THE YOUNG WOMAN ,FOOTBALL PLAYER AND THE FAMINE VICTIM.

I think there is value in asking and remembering the question of why the distribution of suffering in the world is unfair. A similar question is why is there too much suffering?

I have thoughts for those questions which are important to me but I know that my thoughts are far short of covering the question in total. I realize there are people for whom the questions indicate to them that there is no God. Other people do not reach that conclusion from that question.

I am unhappy with the pictures however. It seems to me the young woman has found something that she is seriously happy about. Perhaps her sister has a newborn child longed for. Perhaps the womans spouse has returned from a dangerous journey. There are many possiblities. Why the silliness about finding a key?

Now I admit that in frustration looking for something like a key under pressure I may have said thank God upon finding it. I bet only the most careful of atheists have not been guilty of the same indiscretion. Though this may reference a common guilt I do not see why this nice young women has been dragged into that. Why not let her enjoy her joy with out trivializing it?

I do wonder if in fact you really begrudge her her joy because in fact somebody else is suffering. Should we forswear all joy till. there is no one suffering? Probably not.

The phrasing of the words stuffed into the foot ball players mouth seem to have the same intention to present faith in the most trivialized fashion. I once listened to Yankee closer Mariano Rivera discuss the importance of prayer for him in his preparation to pitch. I do not remember the exact words but he expressed the attitude that a broad thankfulness helped him make the best effort he could. It was not some cheep miracle trick but an attitude towards life which encouraged his best effort.

According to LittleNipper, famine victims deserve what happens to them; it's their fault they're starving.

According to LittleNipper, the people of Sendai, Japan are to blame for the earthquake and tsunami that killed 20,000 of them.

According to LittleNipper, the 230,000 victims who died as a result of the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami deserved what happened to them.

According to LittleNipper, the lives of Christians are more important than the lives of non-Christians.

That's why LittleNipper worships a god who ignores the prayers of disaster victims while helping young, attractive women find their car keys.

Is this the same god you worship?

“It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.”
Thomas Paine -- "A letter: being an answer to a friend, on the publication of The age of reason." Paris; May 12, 1797.

[_Ceeboo]

I am angry at You. Really.

Really?

I use Webshots desktop, and the background is changing in every 15 minute. Imagine, there are about 17 thousand picture. But ...

Every time, when appears a magnificent whale, or a cute raccoon, I should think about You. And about that cow ---

If you really think about me (and the cow) that often.......I'm flattered!

Peace and peace


and more peace

And more peace,
Ceeboo

[_huckelberry]

According to LittleNipper, famine victims deserve what happens to them; it's their fault they're starving.

According to LittleNipper, the people of Sendai, Japan are to blame for the earthquake and tsunami that killed 20,000 of them.

According to LittleNipper, the 230,000 victims who died as a result of the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami deserved what happened to them.

According to LittleNipper, the lives of Christians are more important than the lives of non-Christians.

That's why LittleNipper worships a god who ignores the prayers of disaster victims while helping young, attractive women find their car keys.

Is this the same god you worship?

"Belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man." --Thomas Paine

Erotic Apologist, you list a set of ideas none of which I believe to be true. I believe I am consistent in my rejection of these proposals.

I noticed that some of Nippers comments sound as though he does think each of those things. I do not know if that is a result of his consistently thinking through the problem or his not fully realizing what his statements sound like.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Erotic Apologist, you list a set of ideas none of which I believe to be true. I believe I am consistent in my rejection of these proposals.

Yes, you're one of the more reasonable believers in this forum.

I noticed that some of Nippers comments sound as though he does think each of those things. I do not know if that is a result of his consistently thinking through the problem or his not fully realizing what his statements sound like.

In my opinion, it's because he refuses to admit that systems of morality based solely on the Bible have serious flaws.

[_LittleNipper]

Erotic Apologist, you list a set of ideas none of which I believe to be true. I believe I am consistent in my rejection of these proposals.

Yes, you're one of the more reasonable believers in this forum.

I noticed that some of Nippers comments sound as though he does think each of those things. I do not know if that is a result of his consistently thinking through the problem or his not fully realizing what his statements sound like.

In my opinion, it's because he refuses to admit that systems of morality based solely on the Bible have serious flaws.

God's morality as expressed in the Bible is flawless. Your own system of morality is what is questionable. And the fact is that you make up things and then attribute them to others is really not a demonstration of upright moral behavior.

[_LittleNipper]

Psalm 23 King James Version (KJV) In 1963 I read The 23rd Psalm in the King James aloud to my fellow 4th grade students for the last time as a part of opening exercises. Several other students also chose to read it also. The following week we were no longer able to do this because someone found it offensive...... Actually, I recited it from memory as one student pointed out to the teacher. She said I did just fine and suggest that memorization was not a bad thing.

1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

And the fact is that you make up things and then attribute them to others is really not a demonstration of upright moral behavior.

Three simple questions:

1) Do you deny saying or otherwise indicating the people of Sendai, Japan deserved to die?

2) Do you deny saying or otherwise indicating the victims of the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami deserved to die?

3) Do you deny saying or otherwise indicating Christian lives are worth more than non-Christian lives?

I eagerly await your response.

Your own system of morality is what is questionable.

Yes, absolutely. Any man-made system of morality should be considered questionable and subject to the closest scrutiny.

God's morality as expressed in the Bible is flawless.

Do you mean this flawless morality?

[_ludwigm]

2 Kings 2
23. And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Elisha, the prophet of the lord.
Littlenippers and similar savages can be haut.

[Guest]

And the fact is that you make up things and then attribute them to others is really not a demonstration of upright moral behavior.

Three simple questions:

1) Do you deny saying or otherwise indicating the people of Sendai, Japan deserved to die?

2) Do you deny saying or otherwise indicating the victims of the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami deserved to die?

3) Do you deny saying or otherwise indicating Christian lives are worth more than non-Christian lives?

I eagerly await your response.

Your own system of morality is what is questionable.

Yes, absolutely. Any man-made system of morality should be considered questionable and subject to the closest scrutiny.

God's morality as expressed in the Bible is flawless.

Do you mean this flawless morality?

I believe sin can and does bring with it consequences. Are the people of California praying to the Lord for rain or are they looking to the Government to bring them relief? Do they imagine that their policies might have instigated moral changes throughout the nation? One life is not worth more or less than another; however, Christians are God's adopted children who are being conformed to the image of the Messiah. The unsaved are outside that fold. And it is not me who promotes abortion, suicide, or euthanasia. These are the byproduct of those that believe that personal rights are more important and above God's will.

As for the Bible story, Would it influence you in any way if the realization that the term "little Children" also applied to young adults. The "little children" are just as likely to have been college age "kids". As such they should have known better and if not -- then are they really of an age to decide moral issues such as abortion and homosexual "marriage', and the like. Atheists like to promote the extremes to prove a point and yet they fail miserably to understand the wide ranging implications.