Bible verse by verse

[_The Erotic Apologist]

[_huckelberry]

Nipper, I do not wish to be flippant about your concern.
Why would I, a believer in God ,creation, and Jesus Christ, want to exclude the Biblical simply because it implicates the divine? I value the Bible because it invites and leads us on a path to learn of God.

I do believe the beauty and richness of the real millions of year old creation implicates the divine. It too helps us learn of God.

Uniformitarianism sees that God created an orderly universe which invites us to understand and use our responsibiity to use that understanding as part of our labor to make a good life to honor God. God did not make a bunch of tricks and confusion to discourage us from learning.

I do not wish to seem backward and naïve as far as "science is concerned; however, if God created rock, and we both seem to admit to that, do you not perceive that initially that God spoke and there was rock! What would be the point of dragging out creation over billions of years, if that creation was primarily to achieve Adam and Eve? So, since God created rock, and if a scientist could have then examined that rock, what makes you so positive that the composition would not appear to the scientist as millions and millions of years in the formation of that rock.

I add to this humble lessen the concern that a flood, the magnitude of NOAH's FLOOD would mix and stir minerals, animals and chemicals up and this would not unreasonably cause layering and impregnation of virgin rock and the formation of sedimentary rock. The seemingly ancient rock and mineral would form a disguise for Satan to cause many to come to the belief that the world was indeed older than it really was and that the fossils formed were earlier than they actually were. And Satan would be very self-assured having confused man into believing that (A) the Bible was not entirely truthful and (B) eventually coming to a point of leaving God out of the creative process entirely.

So, while you as a believer seem to still believe in a God, you are a believer that maybe helping the world rest secure in unbelief. Creationists on the other hand may be laughed at; however, I am sure that they do not make Uniformitarians and Evolutionists entirely comfortable. There is the realization that Uniformitarians and evolutionists have left something out and that something is what Creationists and Christians keep reminding them about.

"i may be helping the world rest secure in unbelief." why?
Sometimes I wonder if you are trying to drive as many people into unbelief as you can so that you look like one amongst a few good men.

Probably not intentional.

God is not short of time, being eternal. Why are you worried amount of time God chooses to create?

I was puzzled by your comment about rocks looking old. How can you tell how old a rock is supposed to be by looking at it? They all look the same age to me.

Ill bet they all look the same age to you as well.

[_LittleNipper]

I do not wish to seem backward and naïve as far as "science is concerned; however, if God created rock, and we both seem to admit to that, do you not perceive that initially that God spoke and there was rock! What would be the point of dragging out creation over billions of years, if that creation was primarily to achieve Adam and Eve? So, since God created rock, and if a scientist could have then examined that rock, what makes you so positive that the composition would not appear to the scientist as millions and millions of years in the formation of that rock.

I add to this humble lessen the concern that a flood, the magnitude of NOAH's FLOOD would mix and stir minerals, animals and chemicals up and this would not unreasonably cause layering and impregnation of virgin rock and the formation of sedimentary rock. The seemingly ancient rock and mineral would form a disguise for Satan to cause many to come to the belief that the world was indeed older than it really was and that the fossils formed were earlier than they actually were. And Satan would be very self-assured having confused man into believing that (A) the Bible was not entirely truthful and (B) eventually coming to a point of leaving God out of the creative process entirely.

So, while you as a believer seem to still believe in a God, you are a believer that maybe helping the world rest secure in unbelief. Creationists on the other hand may be laughed at; however, I am sure that they do not make Uniformitarians and Evolutionists entirely comfortable. There is the realization that Uniformitarians and evolutionists have left something out and that something is what Creationists and Christians keep reminding them about.

"i may be helping the world rest secure in unbelief." why?
Sometimes I wonder if you are trying to drive as many people into unbelief as you can so that you look like one amongst a few good men.

Probably not intentional.

God is not short of time, being eternal. Why are you worried amount of time God chooses to create?

I was puzzled by your comment about rocks looking old. How can you tell how old a rock is supposed to be by looking at it? They all look the same age to me.

Ill bet they all look the same age to you as well.

I Am likely being used to help divide the wheat from the tares. God is not short of time because God created TIME. Can you imagine even a moment where time is nonexistent. I will say that most scientists and people in general, simply cannot fathom a space where time was not a reality, or even the idea that God created even the seeming void between the stars. Man has a finite mind clouded by sin. I am not "good". Only GOD is good which is what Jesus was pointing out to the rich young ruler. To call Jesus good one must understand that with that label comes a realization that Jesus was/is Deity --- God in the flesh.

You maybe puzzled. But the biblical revelation is that Adam was not created as a "baby' to grow into manhood. Upon seeing Adam (if we could go back in a time machine to the 6th day of the Creation Week, and being introduced to us by Christ) we would "shake hands" with a healthy robust 30 year old looking guy. And yet the realization would be that he existed for but a few hours... The same goes for minerals, rocks, trees, and animals. They simply became physical with all the necessary parts to exist. Your question about rock is an interesting one. The scientist, could he examine a rock or mineral at the time of creation, would likely find that object to contain elements as God intended but which would seem to that scientist to have taken millions of years to form and develop-- not moments/days. Add this to approximately 6000 - 10,000 years compounded by the FALL of Adam, the murder of Abel, the DELUGE (which was also cosmic in nature), rain, earthquakes, eruptions, drought, fires, storms, war, etc., and man without GOD will perceive only billions and billions and billions of years of TIME.

This everyone who considers GOD must conclude: That at the very least GOD has the power to create anything He wishes in the blink of an eye. If one cannot move beyond this, he is placing a "god" in a box of his own imagination and setting artificial limitations on THE CREATOR GOD.

[_LittleNipper]

Psalm 27:1-14
The Lord is my light and salvation and security— whom shall I fear?

When the wicked come to destroy me,
it is they who will stumble and fall.

Though an army attack me, I will take heart; though war break out against me, I will remain confident.

One thing I ask from the Lord, this only: that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to see the beauty of the Lord and to seek him in his place.

For in the day of trouble he will protect and hide me in the shelter of his sacred tent and set me high on a rock.

Then I will be above the enemies who surround me at his sacred tent I will sacrifice with shouts of joy and sing and make music to the Lord.

Hear my voice when I call, Lord; show me mercy and answer me.

My heart says, “Seek His face!” This I do!

Do not hide from me, do not turn me away in anger; you have been my helper.

Do not reject me or forsake me, God my Savior.

Though my parents forsake me, the Lord will take me in.

Teach me your will, Lord; lead me in a straight line for the sake of those watching.

Do not turn me over to the will of my foes, for false witnesses rise up against me, spouting malicious rebuttals.

I remain confident that I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.

Be patient with the Lord; be strong and take heart.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 By David. Jehovah [is] my light and my salvation, Whom do I fear? Jehovah [is] the strength of my life, Of whom am I afraid?

2 When evil doers come near to me to eat my flesh, My adversaries and mine enemies to me, They have stumbled and fallen.

3 Though a host doth encamp against me, My heart doth not fear, Though war riseth up against me, In this I [am] confident.

4 One [thing] I asked of Jehovah -- it I seek. My dwelling in the house of Jehovah, All the days of my life, To look on the pleasantness of Jehovah, And to inquire in His temple.

5 For He hideth me in a tabernacle in the day of evil, He hideth me in a secret place of His tent, On a rock he raiseth me up.

6 And now, lifted up is my head, Above my enemies -- my surrounders, And I sacrifice in His tent sacrifices of shouting, I sing, yea, I sing praise to Jehovah.

7 Hear, O Jehovah, my voice -- I call, And favour me, and answer me.

8 To Thee said my heart `They sought my face, Thy face, O Jehovah, I seek.'

9 Hide not Thy face from me, Turn not aside in anger Thy servant, My help Thou hast been. Leave me not, nor forsake me, O God of my salvation.

10 When my father and my mother Have forsaken me, then doth Jehovah gather me.

11 Shew me, O Jehovah, Thy way, And lead me in a path of uprightness, For the sake of my beholders.

12 Give me not to the will of my adversaries, For risen against me have false witnesses, And they breathe out violence to me.

13 I had not believed to look on the goodness of Jehovah In the land of the living!

14 Look unto Jehovah -- be strong, And He doth strengthen thy heart, Yea, look unto Jehovah!

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I Am likely being used to help divide the wheat from the tares. God is not short of time because God created TIME. Can you imagine even a moment where time is nonexistent. I will say that most scientists and people in general, simply cannot fathom a space where time was not a reality, or even the idea that God created even the seeming void between the stars. Man has a finite mind clouded by sin. I am not "good". Only GOD is good which is what Jesus was pointing out to the rich young ruler. To call Jesus good one must understand that with that label comes a realization that Jesus was/is Deity --- God in the flesh.

You maybe puzzled. But the biblical revelation is that Adam was not created as a "baby' to grow into manhood. Upon seeing Adam (if we could go back in a time machine to the 6th day of the Creation Week, and being introduced to us by Christ) we would "shake hands" with a healthy robust 30 year old looking guy. And yet the realization would be that he existed for but a few hours... The same goes for minerals, rocks, trees, and animals. They simply became physical with all the necessary parts to exist. Your question about rock is an interesting one. The scientist, could he examine a rock or mineral at the time of creation, would likely find that object to contain elements as God intended but which would seem to that scientist to have taken millions of years to form and develop-- not moments/days. Add this to approximately 6000 - 10,000 years compounded by the FALL of Adam, the murder of Abel, the DELUGE (which was also cosmic in nature), rain, earthquakes, eruptions, drought, fires, storms, war, etc., and man without GOD will perceive only billions and billions and billions of years of TIME.

This everyone who considers GOD must conclude: That at the very least GOD has the power to create anything He wishes in the blink of an eye. If one cannot move beyond this, he is placing a "god" in a box of his own imagination and setting artificial limitations on THE CREATOR GOD.

Nope--the creation myth recorded in the Hwang Di Sz Jing (黃帝四經) is far more convincing than anything found in the Book of Genesis.

According to the Dau Ywan (道原), the fourth and final volume of the Hwang Di Sz Jing, the universe emerged from what can best be described as a gravitational singularity. The cosmogonic narrative preserved in the Dau Ywan goes on to describe the subsequent expansion of matter, energy, and space-time in a manner eerily reminiscent of modern scientific understanding of the Big Bang.

SCORE:

Dauism -- 1

The Bible -- 0

[_Gunnar]

This everyone who considers GOD must conclude: That at the very least GOD has the power to create anything He wishes in the blink of an eye. If one cannot move beyond this, he is placing a "god" in a box of his own imagination and setting artificial limitations on THE CREATOR GOD.

Why must everyone who considers GOD conclude that?

If God has the power to create anything he wishes in the blink of an eye, why did he take 6 days to create the world, as told in Genesis?

Why did he feel a need to deliberately make it look like it took billions of years if he wanted us to believe that it only happened 6,000 years ago?

Why is this any more reasonable than "last Thursdayism" which posits that everything we think we know was created last Thursday, along with false memories of having experienced years of life previously?

[_ludwigm]

... senseless ...

Why is this any more reasonable than "last Thursdayism" which posits that everything we think we know was created last Thursday, along with false memories of having experienced years of life previously?

You have exposed Yourself, You unchristian, heathen, godless, x (substitute "x" with anything assembled by any believer).

You are a TTB (True Thor Believer).

Jupiter's (Thor's) day
Painting depicting the English god Thunor (the Norse Thor), after whom Thursday is named, by Mårten Eskil Winge, 1872

The name is derived from Old English Þūnresdæg and Middle English Thuresday (with loss of -n-, first in northern dialects, from influence of Old Norse Þorsdagr) meaning "Thor's Day". Thunor, Donar (German, Donnerstag) and Thor are derived from the name of the Germanic god of thunder, Thunraz, equivalent to Jupiter in the interpretatio romana.

In most Romance languages, the day is named after the Roman god Jupiter, who was the god of sky and thunder. In Latin, the day was known as Iovis Dies, "Jupiter's Day". In Latin, the genitive or possessive case of Jupiter was Iovis/Jovis and thus in most Romance languages it became the word for Thursday: Italian giovedì, Spanish jueves, French jeudi, Sardinian jòvia, Catalan dijous, and Romanian joi. This is also reflected in the p-Celtic Welsh dydd Iau.

The astrological and astronomical sign of the planet Jupiter (♃Jupiter) is sometimes used to represent Thursday.

Since the Roman god Jupiter was identified with Thunor (Norse Thor in northern Europe), most Germanic languages name the day after this god: Torsdag in Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish, Hósdagur/Tórsdagur in Faroese, Donnerstag in German or Donderdag in Dutch. Finnish and Northern Sami, both non-Germanic (Uralic) languages, uses the borrowing "Torstai" and "Duorastat". In the extinct Polabian Slavic language, it was perundan, Perun being the Slavic equivalent of Thor.

There are a number of modern names imitating the naming of Thursday after an equivalent of "Jupiter" in local tradition. In most of the languages of India, the word for Thursday is Guruvar – var meaning day and guru being the style for Bṛhaspati, guru to the gods and regent of the planet Jupiter. In Thai, the word is Wan Pharuehatsabodi – referring to the Hindu deity Bṛhaspati, also associated with Jupiter. En was an old Illyrian deity and in his honor in the Albanian language Thursday is called "Enjte". In the Nahuatl language, Thursday is Tezcatlipotōnal (Nahuatl pronunciation: /teskat͡ɬipoˈtoːnaɬ/) meaning "day of Tezcatlipoca".

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by the way

Fourth day
In Slavic languages and in Chinese, this day's name is "fourth" (Slovak štvrtok, Czech čtvrtek, Croatian and Bosnian četvrtak, Polish czwartek, Russian "четверг" četverg, Bulgarian "четвъртък", Serbian "четвртак", Macedonian "четврток", Ukrainian "четвер" chetver, Slovene četrtek.). Hungarian uses a Slavic loanword "csütörtök". In Chinese, it's 星期四 xīngqīsì ("fourth solar day"). In Estonian it's "neljapäev", meaning fourth day or fourth day in a week.

[_LittleNipper]

This everyone who considers GOD must conclude: That at the very least GOD has the power to create anything He wishes in the blink of an eye. If one cannot move beyond this, he is placing a "god" in a box of his own imagination and setting artificial limitations on THE CREATOR GOD.

Why must everyone who considers GOD conclude that?

If God has the power to create anything he wishes in the blink of an eye, why did he take 6 days to create the world, as told in Genesis?

Why did he feel a need to deliberately make it look like it took billions of years if he wanted us to believe that it only happened 6,000 years ago?

Why is this any more reasonable than "last Thursdayism" which posits that everything we think we know was created last Thursday, along with false memories of having experienced years of life previously?

God was providing a lessen for humans to follow. Just as God worked for 6 days to create everything, He rested on the seventh day. Did you never wonder why there exists a 7 day week almost everywhere? Why not a 10 day week, or a 4 day week. Why a week at all? Just like (male/female) marriage, GOD established that week. Man was to work 6 days and rest on the seventh. The day of rest was designed for man and not man for the day of rest.

God didn't deliberately make things appear to be billions of years old. However, God may have presented the Universe and its vastness as a illustration of Himself for Adam. If someone wishes to formulate a "natural" reason for everything that exists to exist, then that individual is likely being unfair to God while lying to himself and fabricating his own pretentious theories.

"Last Thursdayism" is unfair because it formulates a notion that there exists a false history. Example: I was never a little child who grew up and made mistakes because of sin. I had a lifetime thrust upon me that I actually had no control over.

God established nature for man. He didn't create man for nature. God certainly would not hold anyone to sins they never actually committed and that He himself manufactured.

[_huckelberry]

Nipper asks,
"Did you never wonder why there exists a 7 day week almost everywhere? Why not a 10 day week, or a 4 day week. Why a week at all? "

I am fairly sure the reason is because 4 times 7 is 28. If that does not make it quite clear consider it a riddle about things in the sky.

[_ludwigm]

Did you never wonder why there exists a 7 day week almost everywhere? Why not a 10 day week, or a 4 day week.

It comes from Babylonian timing.

The Torah got its final form after the babylonian captivity.
Then, under Josiah, the Books were found.

8. And Hilkiah the high priest said unto Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan, and he read it.
9. And Shaphan the scribe came to the king, and brought the king word again, and said, Thy servants have gathered the money that was found in the house, and have delivered it into the hand of them that do the work, that have the oversight of the house of the LORD.
10. And Shaphan the scribe shewed the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath delivered me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king.
11. And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes.
12. And the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Achbor the son of Michaiah, and Shaphan the scribe, and Asahiah a servant of the king's, saying,
13. Go ye, inquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning

The babylonians have seven non-fixed objects visible in the sky. Planets.
The Sun and Moon and the five real planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.

Sun, Moon, Nergal, Naboo, Marduk, Ishtar, Ninib in babylonian.
Raphael, Gabriel, Samael, Mikhael, Izidkiel, Hanael, Kefarel in Hebrew...

See the names of the days in different languages (it is worth to begin another thread, by the way)

Your pet tribe, the jews borrowed the week system from another bunch of savages. They had no brain enough to create a timing system...

Week? See "Woche" and "wechsel" in German.
The changing. Changing of Moon...

As huckelberry showed it above.