Bible verse by verse

[_Drifting]

I fully believe the Bible is designed by God. God is perfect and what He does is perfect. And God has the power to keep it perfect.

Which language and which version of The Bible is the one from God?

[_sleepyhead]

[I do not try to take liberties. I can see that there are different ways to see some things; however, it must come down to one simple understanding --- is the Bible inspired by God or the work of intelligent men? I fully believe the Bible is designed by God. God is perfect and what He does is perfect. And God has the power to keep it perfect. Interpretations by man can be in error. But if one is in prayer and allows the Scripture to fully define itself, then one is far less likely to do it an injustice.

Hello little nipper,

The appologist who wrote the link you provided certainly took a great deal of liberties. The question is why he distorted the 2nd dream. He didn't use numerology to interpret the 1st dream. The only reason I can think of is that it doesn't conform to fundamentalism. If you want to claim the dream is false that would be fine but in order to maintain the claim of Bible inerancy, in combination with your predefined beliefs, your accepting unsound interpretations of what could be termed problem verses.

[_LittleNipper]

I fully believe the Bible is designed by God. God is perfect and what He does is perfect. And God has the power to keep it perfect.

Which language and which version of The Bible is the one from God?

The original tongue was mostly Hebrew. The translations that try to stick to the original language meaning straight forwardly would be the most concise interpretation. Whenever there is a question, it is best to go back to the original language.

[_Drifting]

I fully believe the Bible is designed by God. God is perfect and what He does is perfect. And God has the power to keep it perfect.

Which language and which version of The Bible is the one from God?

The original tongue was mostly Hebrew. The translations that try to stick to the original language meaning straight forwardly would be the most concise interpretation. Whenever there is a question, it is best to go back to the original language.

Which ones are those?

[_LittleNipper]

[I do not try to take liberties. I can see that there are different ways to see some things; however, it must come down to one simple understanding --- is the Bible inspired by God or the work of intelligent men? I fully believe the Bible is designed by God. God is perfect and what He does is perfect. And God has the power to keep it perfect. Interpretations by man can be in error. But if one is in prayer and allows the Scripture to fully define itself, then one is far less likely to do it an injustice.

Hello little nipper,

The appologist who wrote the link you provided certainly took a great deal of liberties. The question is why he distorted the 2nd dream. He didn't use numerology to interpret the 1st dream. The only reason I can think of is that it doesn't conform to fundamentalism. If you want to claim the dream is false that would be fine but in order to maintain the claim of Bible inerancy, in combination with your predefined beliefs, your accepting unsound interpretations of what could be termed problem verses.

The second dream is what was asked about. I personally feel that Jacob got it right; however, the mathamatics is not wrong and doesn't corrupt what the Bible comes right out and eventually states. Joseph was not Christ. And both dreams concern Joseph. Neither dream is false.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

God is perfect and what He does is perfect. And God has the power to keep it perfect.

Right, God is perfect. That's why he does all that repenting in the Old Testament.

[_LittleNipper]

God is perfect and what He does is perfect. And God has the power to keep it perfect.

Right, God is perfect. That's why he does all that repenting in the Old Testament.

The Bible is written on a human dimension. God is relating how He feels in terms humans might relate to. God wants us to understand and so He communicated on our level.

[_LittleNipper]

I fully believe the Bible is designed by God. God is perfect and what He does is perfect. And God has the power to keep it perfect.

Which language and which version of The Bible is the one from God?

The original tongue was mostly Hebrew. The translations that try to stick to the original language meaning straight forwardly would be the most concise interpretation. Whenever there is a question, it is best to go back to the original language.

Which ones are those?

I do feel that the Modern King James is a very good translation with regards to the Old Testament (The formality seems to fit the Ancient Hebrew text). The New International Version is a very good translation of the New Testament. Actually, The Bible was written on about a 5th grade level.

[Guest]

Genesis 49:1-33 Jacob had called together all his sons and tells them to listen and he will discribe the future for each of them.

Reuben, the firstborn and the child a vigorous youth. He is first in rank and first in power but as out of control as a flood. His inheritance has been taken from him. because he went to bed with Jacob's wife ---- Ruben defiled Jacob's marriage bed.

Simeon and Levi are just alike; their use their weapons to bring violence. May Jacob never be a part of their discussions or plans. For in they are hot tempered and murdered men, And they harm creatures for the fun of it. Curse both their anger and wrath. God will mix them among the descendants of Jacob, and spread them throughout Israel.

Judah's brothers will sing his praises. He will go for the throat of his enemies. His relatives will honor him. Judah is a contented king of beasts. Like a lion he crouches and lies down; like a lioness—who dares to infuriate him? The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from his descendants, until Christ (eventually honored by all nations) arrives on the scene. He ties his foal to a grapevine, the colt of his donkey to a choice vine. He washes his clothes in wine, his robes in the blood of grapes. His eyes are darker than wine, and his teeth are whiter than milk.

Zebulun will live by the seashore and will be a haven for ships; his neighborhood will extend to Sidon.

Issachar is a sturdy donkey, resting between two saddlepacks (ready, willing and able). When he sees the value of countryside and how futile the land is, he willingly submits himself to hard labor to manage it .

Dan will govern his people like any other tribe in Israel. Dan will be a snake beside the road, a poisonous viper along the path that bites the horse’s hooves so its rider is thrown off.
Jacob is waiting for a Savior --- calling on God.

Gad will be attacked by marauding bands, but he will attack them when they retreat.

Asher will dine on rich foods and produce food fit for kings.

Naphtali is a doe set free that bears beautiful fawns.

Joseph is the foal at a fountain of a wild donkey, on the ridge. Archers attacked him savagely; they shot at him and harassed him. But his bow remained ready, and his arms were strengthened by God, the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel. Jacob calls on his God to help Joseph (a prince among his brothers); And bless him with the blessings of the heavens above, and blessings of the watery depths below, and blessings of the fertility. Jacob asks that his blessings surpass the value of the ancient mountains, reaching to the heights of heaven.

Benjamin is a ravenous wolf, destroys his enemies at daybreak and divids his plunder at twilight.

These become the twelve tribes of Israel, and this is what Jacob said as he told his sons good-bye, blessed each one with an appropriate message.

Jacob instructed them, to be buried me with Abraham and Sarah in the cave in the Machpelah field bought from Ephron the Hittite --- as a family crypt. There also Isaac and his wife, Rebekah, are buried. And there Jacob buried Leah. When Jacob had finished this charge to his sons, he climbed into bed and joined his ancestors in death.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Jacob calleth unto his sons and saith, `Be gathered together, and I declare to you that which doth happen with you in the latter end of the days.

2 `Be assembled, and hear, sons of Jacob, And hearken unto Israel your father.

3 Reuben! my first-born thou, My power, and beginning of my strength, The abundance of exaltation, And the abundance of strength;

4 Unstable as water, thou art not abundant; For thou hast gone up thy father's bed; Then thou hast polluted: My couch he went up!

5 Simeon and Levi [are] brethren! Instruments of violence -- their espousals!

6 Into their secret, come not, O my soul! Unto their assembly be not united, O mine honour; For in their anger they slew a man, And in their self-will eradicated a prince.

7 Cursed [is] their anger, for [it is] fierce, And their wrath, for [it is] sharp; I divide them in Jacob, And I scatter them in Israel.

8 Judah! thou -- thy brethren praise thee! Thy hand [is] on the neck of thine enemies, Sons of thy father bow themselves to thee.

9 A lion's whelp [is] Judah, For prey, my son, thou hast gone up; He hath bent, he hath crouched as a lion, And as a lioness; who causeth him to arise?

10 The sceptre turneth not aside from Judah, And a lawgiver from between his feet, Till his Seed come; And his [is] the obedience of peoples.

11 Binding to the vine his ass, And to the choice vine the colt of his ass, He hath washed in wine his clothing, And in the blood of grapes his covering;

12 Red [are] eyes with wine, And white [are] teeth with milk!

13 Zebulun at a haven of the seas doth dwell, And he [is] for a haven of ships; And his side [is] unto Zidon.

14 Issacher [is] a strong ass, Crouching between the two folds;

15 And he seeth rest that [it is] good, And the land that [it is] pleasant, And he inclineth his shoulder to bear, And is to tribute a servant.

16 Dan doth judge his people, As one of the tribes of Israel;

17 Dan is a serpent by the way, An adder by the path, Which is biting the horse's heels, And its rider falleth backward.

18 For Thy salvation I have waited, Jehovah!

19 Gad! a troop assaulteth him, But he assaulteth last.

20 Out of Asher his bread [is] fat; And he giveth dainties of a king.

21 Naphtali [is] a hind sent away, Who is giving beauteous young ones.

22 Joseph [is] a fruitful son; A fruitful son by a fountain, Daughters step over the wall;

23 And embitter him -- yea, they have striven, Yea, hate him do archers;

24 And his bow abideth in strength, And strengthened are the arms of his hands By the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob, Whence is a shepherd, a son of Israel.

25 By the God of thy father who helpeth thee, And the Mighty One who blesseth thee, Blessings of the heavens from above, Blessings of the deep lying under, Blessings of breasts and womb; --

26 Thy father's blessings have been mighty Above the blessings of my progenitors, Unto the limit of the heights age-during They are for the head of Joseph, And for the crown of the one Separate [from] his brethren.

27 Benjamin! a wolf teareth; In the morning he eateth prey, And at evening he apportioneth spoil.'

28 All these [are] the twelve tribes of Israel, and this [is] that which their father hath spoken unto them, and he blesseth them; each according to his blessing he hath blessed them.

29 And he commandeth them, and saith unto them, `I am being gathered unto my people; bury me by my fathers, at the cave which [is] in the field of Ephron the Hittite;

30 in the cave which [is] in the field of Machpelah, which [is] on the front of Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field from Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a burying-place;

31 (there they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah);

32 the purchase of the field and of the cave which [is] in it, [is] from Sons of Heth.'

33 And Jacob finisheth commanding his sons, and gathereth up his feet unto the bed, and expireth, and is gathered unto his people.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

The Bible is written on a human dimension. God is relating how He feels in terms humans might relate to. God wants us to understand and so He communicated on our level.

The Bible is written on a human dimension.
Yes, because humans were the ones who wrote it.

God is relating how He feels in terms humans might relate to.
No, he's not; because he's not the one who wrote it.

God wants us to understand and so He communicated on our level.
No, he doesn't; because he's not the one who wrote it.

If you meant to say that god inspired these guys to write what they did, that would be a totally different can of worms, but that's not what you're saying, here.