Bible verse by verse

[_Gunnar]

I am of the opinion that Lyell was anything but a Christian. At the best Hutton was a Deist

If so, good for him. That's better than being a fanatical, dogmatic, and intolerant Christian fundamentalist.

[Guest]

I am of the opinion that Lyell was anything but a Christian. At the best Hutton was a Deist

If so, good for him. That's better than being a fanatical, dogmatic, and intolerant Christian fundamentalist.

No, what is the value if one gains the whole world but loses his soul. Being fanatical or dogmatic is certainly not limited to "Christians", or even to what could be described as a "religious person". Doctors of scientific theory can be just as fanatical and dogmatic concerning their OWN fields of study. Billions of years become absolutes and consideration of God systematically shunned as "unscientific".

If a person ends up totally alienated from God and goes onto taking his students along for the ride, that is very sad and ultimately unproductive. Unproductive in the sense that it is the TRUTH that sets one free and not theory. The TRUTH is not what one thinks happened but what actually happened. A person must be willing to investigate and even, yes even cry out to GOD for His leading. A person who has made up his mind that there is no God no matter what happens, or is demonstrated, or revealed is a dogmatic fanatic. Just as dogmatic as the Roman Catholic who will not accept that the LORD's supper is a memorial representation (as revealed in the Bible) and has nothing to do with wine turning into the actual blood of Christ and the bread turning into the actual body of Christ. Transubstantiation has been proven to be scientifically incorrect and for hundreds of years prior Protestants understood as much. Christ died on the cross ONCE and for ALL who will believe on Him. Christ is not sacrificed over and over again and again during the "Mass".
One way Christians are proving the Bible is that many are clearly seeing evidence of a cataclysmic event. And it is unlikely that this event had no influence on what is discovered today. The fact is to cling to Darwinism while taking issue with people who cling to the Bible is hypocrisy, and there is no way around that.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I wonder if this signals the end of the fossil discussion, or just an abridgment of it?

Actually I thought Nippers quote was appropriate. Perhaps because I see that scripture as making more sense than the goofy idea that natural disasters are all Gods judgements on some poor saps.

Perhaps the Romans passage is a bit richer in context where in creation waits in eager expectation of the appearance of the sons of God.

I think Nipper quoted that scripture because he believes the entire universe is "groaning under the weight of sin," as if sin has mass and is subject to gravitational attraction.

[_Bret Ripley]

Target practice.

[_LittleNipper]

I wonder if this signals the end of the fossil discussion, or just an abridgment of it?

Actually I thought Nippers quote was appropriate. Perhaps because I see that scripture as making more sense than the goofy idea that natural disasters are all Gods judgements on some poor saps.

Perhaps the Romans passage is a bit richer in context where in creation waits in eager expectation of the appearance of the sons of God.

I think Nipper quoted that scripture because he believes the entire universe is "groaning under the weight of sin," as if sin has mass and is subject to gravitational attraction.

Actions cause reactions.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I think Nipper quoted that scripture because he believes the entire universe is "groaning under the weight of sin," as if sin has mass and is subject to gravitational attraction.

Actions cause reactions.

Is that a yes? You're saying sin has mass and is subject to gravitational attraction?

[_huckelberry]

I wonder if this signals the end of the fossil discussion, or just an abridgment of it?

I think Nipper quoted that scripture because he believes the entire universe is "groaning under the weight of sin," as if sin has mass and is subject to gravitational attraction.

I think Apologist is working out a sociological test to create a scale of degrees of purity of literal scripture interpretation. Who can reach a pure ten?

[Guest]

Psalm 35:1-28 By David

Lord cope with those who grapple with me; fight those who attack me!

Take hold of various shields, and stand on my side!

Draw the spear and javelin against those chasing me!
Say to my soul, “I"m your deliverance!”

Let them be put to shame and dishonor who wish to kill me!
Let them be turned back confused who concoct evil against me!

Let them be as dust in the wind, with the angel of the Lord driving them along!

Let their path be dark and slippery, with the angel of the Lord chasing them!

For with no reason they hid their trap for me; with no cause they dug a pit to capture me.

May destruction come upon them unsuspected!
And let the trap meant for me capture them instead bring ruin!

This will cause my soul to rejoice in the Lord, exuberant in His deliverance.

All my bones shall say, "Lord, who is like You. You set the weak free from him who is too strong for him, the weak and needy from him who plunders him?”

Malicious troublemakers appear and ask me things that I do not know.

They return to me evil for good; my soul is saddened.

But when they were sick—I wore sackcloth, I afflicted myself with fasting. I prayed with head bowed low, as though I grieved for my friend or brother;
I acted as one who mourns for his mother.

But at my trouble they gathered in glee, against me; cripplers I did not know, and slandered me impiously relentless --- showing their teeth in anger.

How long, O Lord, will you simply watch? Rescue me from their assaults ---- my life from among lions!

Then I will thank you among the congregation. I will praise you among the large crowd.

Let not these laugh at my expense who are wrongfully my enemies and let not these wink their eye who hate me without reason.

They do not speak peacefully, but fight those in the area who are shy, as they conceive lies.

They open wide their mouths against me; they say, “Aha, Aha!
our eyes have seen it!”

You perceive, Lord; don't be quiet! Lord, stay close!

Become active, and awake for my betterment, for my cause, my God and my Lord!

Vindicate me, Lord, my God, according to your righteousness; and let them not rejoice at my expense!

Let them not say to in their minds, “Aha, we have what we always wanted!”
Let them not say, “We have chewed him up.”

Let them be put to shame and confusion---- everyone who laughs at my problems!
Let them be clothed with shame and dishonor who glorify themselves at my expense!

Let those who wish my vindication shout for joy and be happy, and always say, “Great is the Lord, who cares about the welfare of His servant!”

My tongue shall speak of uprightness and of Your praise throughout the day.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 By David. Strive, Jehovah, with my strivers, fight with my fighters,

2 Take hold of shield and buckler, and rise for my help,

3 And draw out spear and lance, To meet my pursuers. Say to my soul, `Thy salvation I [am].'

4 They are ashamed and blush, those seeking my soul, Turned backward and confounded, Those devising my evil.

5 They are as chaff before wind, And a messenger of Jehovah driving away.

6 Their way is darkness and slipperiness, And a messenger of Jehovah their pursuer.

7 For without cause they hid for me their netpit, Without cause they digged for my soul.

8 Meet him doth desolation -- he knoweth not, And his net that he hid catcheth him, For desolation he falleth into it.

9 And my soul is joyful in Jehovah, It rejoiceth in His salvation.

10 All my bones say, `Jehovah, who is like Thee, Delivering the poor from the stronger than he, And the poor and needy from his plunderer.'

11 Violent witnesses rise up, That which I have not known they ask me.

12 They pay me evil for good, bereaving my soul,

13 And I -- in their sickness my clothing [is] sackcloth, I have humbled with fastings my soul, And my prayer unto my bosom returneth.

14 As [if] a friend, as [if] my brother, I walked habitually, As a mourner for a mother, Mourning I have bowed down.

15 And -- in my halting they have rejoiced, And have been gathered together, Gathered against me were the smiters, And I have not known, They have rent, and they have not ceased;

16 With profane ones, mockers in feasts, Gnashing against me their teeth.

17 Lord, how long dost thou behold? Keep back my soul from their desolations, From young lions my only one.

18 I thank Thee in a great assembly, Among a mighty people I praise Thee.

19 Mine enemies rejoice not over me [with] falsehood, Those hating me without cause wink the eye.

20 For they speak not peace, And against the quiet of the land, Deceitful words they devise,

21 And they enlarge against me their mouth, They said, `Aha, aha, our eye hath seen.'

22 Thou hast seen, O Jehovah, Be not silent, O Lord -- be not far from me,

23 Stir up, and wake to my judgment, My God, and my Lord, to my plea.

24 Judge me according to Thy righteousness, O Jehovah my God, And they do not rejoice over me.

25 They do not say in their heart, `Aha, our desire.' They do not say, `We swallowed him up.'

26 They are ashamed and confounded together, Who are rejoicing at my evil. They put on shame and confusion, Who are magnifying themselves against me.

27 They sing and rejoice, who are desiring my righteousness, And they say continually, `Jehovah is magnified, Who is desiring the peace of His servant.'

28 And my tongue uttereth Thy righteousness, All the day Thy praise!

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I think Apologist is working out a sociological test to create a scale of degrees of purity of literal scripture interpretation. Who can reach a pure ten?

What if I told you I'm doing research for a smutty novel about Christians behaving badly?

[_LittleNipper]

Psalm 36:1-12 For the Music Director a song of David the Lord's servant

I have a message from God in my heart regarding the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no concern of God ahead for them.

They flatter themselves too often to detect or hate their own sin.

Their speech is wicked and deceitful; they fail to behave wisely or accomplish any good.

Even in bed they strategize evil plans; commit themselves to sinful plans and see nothing wrong in their actions.

Your love and faithfulness, Lord, reaches upwards.

Your righteousness is very visible, your justice in unfathomable. You, Lord, preserve both people and animals.

How priceless is your unfailing love, O God! People take protection in the shadow of your wings.

They enjoy the abundance of your house; you give them drink from your river of delights.

For with you is the fountain of life; in your light we gain truth.

Continue your love towards those who are saved, your righteousness towards the upright in spirit.

May the proud not walk toward me, nor the hand of the wicked beat me back.

See how the evildoers remain fallen— cast down for etenity!


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 To the Overseer. -- By a servant of Jehovah, by David. The transgression of the wicked Is affirming within my heart, `Fear of God is not before his eyes,

2 For he made [it] smooth to himself in his eyes, To find his iniquity to be hated.

3 The words of his mouth [are] iniquity and deceit, He ceased to act prudently -- to do good.

4 Iniquity he deviseth on his bed, He stationeth himself on a way not good, Evil he doth not refuse.'

5 O Jehovah, in the heavens [is] Thy kindness, Thy faithfulness [is] unto the clouds.

6 Thy righteousness [is] as mountains of God, Thy judgments [are] a great deep. Man and beast Thou savest, O Jehovah.

7 How precious [is] Thy kindness, O God, And the sons of men In the shadow of Thy wings do trust.

8 They are filled from the fatness of Thy house, And the stream of Thy delights Thou dost cause them to drink.

9 For with Thee [is] a fountain of life, In Thy light we see light.

10 Draw out Thy kindness to those knowing Thee, And Thy righteousness to the upright of heart.

11 Let not a foot of pride meet me, And a hand of the wicked let not move me.

12 There have workers of iniquity fallen, They have been overthrown, And have not been able to arise!