Fulfilled Prophecy?

[_grindael]

Grindale, you should read my post ...

I find it hard to take anyone seriously that can't take the time to spell someone's name correctly, especially when in the comments above this has already been addressed.

[_Franktalk]

We are all searching for truth. Some way more than others. So how do we know truth when we see it? I mean we have this cloud of preconceived notions that we filter the world through. So what I see and understand may be totally different than another. So who can be our guide? And more important will we accept what we are guided to or will we just treat it like all of the other information we are exposed to. Prophecy stands as a testament to the extreme boundaries of our ability to screw things up. I mean is it not true that prophecy can be argued over for 3000 years?

[_grindael]

alleged Pratt quote.

It's not "alleged". It's an actual quote by Parley P. Pratt, from a tract that he wrote and published. These kinds of word games are typical of Mormons who have no answers for their false prophets.

[_gdemetz]

Grindale, I don't care if he said it or not! My point was that it was his opinion only, and did not constitute a revelation to the church!

[_grindael]

Grindale...

gdemetz...

Are you just ignorant, or too stupid to spell someone's name correctly?

[_gdemetz]

That's right Grinch! If you can't win the argument try and win the fight! Name calling really helps!

[_grindael]

That's right Grinch!

I'm rubber and you're glue. Yeah, that's about your speed.

[_jo1952]

Samantabhadra and Grindael,

The entire text of Psalm 82 indicates that 'gods' is referring to children of the One True God, gods in other words, though they do not know who or what they are, and so they die like all mortals.

He is not mocking, but trying to awaken the judges who judge poorly to their True Self in God, the True Light. Also when it is said that God will judge the world, the psalmist is not implying that the world will suffer for their arrogance, but that God will swiftly free the world from the delusion that has it in bondage.

God is merciful. His judgment is a means to deliver his mercy. Hallelu-Yah!

And so when Yeshua quoted this psalm in John 10, he is saying your scriptures have God saying that you are indeed gods, so why do you call it blasphemy for one who is anointed of God and sent into this world to call himself a god, a son, a child of the One True God?

There is no mocking. And obviously in how Yeshua is using this psalm, he does not see any mocking.

This is the darkness - what keeps man blinded and ignorant of who we are in God, that we are all children of God, thus it is intended that we be gods in this world. I agree that it is wrong to interpret this to say we are equal to God, we are not. The intention for our creation is that we become vehicles for God, thus Sons of God. But only after we have been perfected, made whole, only after what is intended for us has been accomplished and fulfilled. Adonai Yeshua is our elder sibling, the first fruit in this world, who opened the Way for the same that was accomplished in him to be accomplished in each of us.

Psalm 82 revealed the intent for all of men, which is why Yeshua is questioning his nay-sayers in John 10, for they are calling the one in whom what was intended, as declared by their scriptures, has been accomplished, a blasphemer.

Shalom!

Sheryl

Thank you Sheryl! As always, your posts are enlightening and always appreciated!!

Shalom!

jo

[_jo1952]

To ALL:

Let’s look at the lesson Jesus taught about the Pharisees. They were teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. They knowingly did so; and they would be held accountable. However, those who faithfully followed what the Pharisees taught them (even though it was wrong) were okay. In fact, their faithfulness in following the commandments of men was counted as righteousness because they believed that what the Pharisees were teaching them was true!

Isn't this the message behind the instructions to "test" a Teacher, Apostle or a Prophet? If we test them and determine that their teaching is correct in accordance with what has already been revealed to us as Truth by the Holy Spirit, then in following them and being faithful to what they teach is counted as righteousness (even if it turns out their teaching is false).

How can this be??? It is because each of us has had a different amount of Truth - different parts of All Truth - which has been revealed to us. Thus, in accordance with what HAS been revealed to us personally, we will make determinations on whether or not we will believe what ANYONE tries to teach us. The "standard" of Truth which we use is constantly evolving and expanding.

This is where learning from, and being guided by, the Holy Spirit becomes so essential to our ability to progress. The more Truth which has been revealed to us, the more we are able to discern who is a false teacher, prophet or apostle (especially knowing they will always be among us). The minimum requirements of the "test" are very simple!!! As long as a teacher, prophet, or apostle teaches:

1 Cor 15:3-4
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

From this point on, believers will receive whatever Truth they are ready to receive. We are all at different levels of receiving parts of all Truth. As such, our ability to discern false teachers, prophets, and apostles will be in accordance with what we have had revealed to us.

What happened to those who held the MOST Truth in times gone by??? More often than not, they were killed by those who had had less truth revealed to them, or by those who didn’t want to hear the Truth being taught. Today, rather than being killed, those who hold more Truth than another are persecuted by those who have had less truth revealed to them. The only thing that has changed is the severity of the persecution.

It is because people do not understand this very basic teaching which is the cause for all of the strife, the contentions, the divisions, etc., among us. This is why there are so many different denominations, why there was a great apostasy, why there was a Reformation, why there was a need for a Restoration. And yet, we still have not learned....even in the Restored church the same problem exists.

Mercifully, God is interested in our faithfulness to what we believe is true. As faith grows in us, our ability to be ready to receive more Truth is increased. That is because as our faith grows, our desire to seek for Truth increases. It is in seeking Truth that we can find it.

There is no commandment: Thou shalt not follow a false teacher or a false prophet or a false apostle. We WILL lose righteousness if we are not faithful to what we believe is true. We will lose righteousness if we do something a teacher, prophet or apostle tells us to do which we believe is wrong in accordance to the Truth we have received.

It is not a sin to follow a false teacher, prophet, or apostle. Peter was a True Apostle. However, he became a false Apostle when Jesus called him “Satan”, and again when he denied Jesus three times in one night. Should we throw all of Peter’s teachings away? Are we sinning by following Peter's teachings? I think not!! Our ability to discern falseness (darkness) increases with the amount of Truth (Light) which has been revealed to us.

There will always be false teachers, false apostles, and false prophets among us. It is the same within the LDS Church; both in Leadership and also amongst the members. There is no getting around this. This is how it is, how our world was set up.....it is up to each individual to make the choices which allow them to progress until they have received All Truth.

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

To ALL:

Let’s look at the lesson Jesus taught about the Pharisees. They were teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. They knowingly did so; and they would be held accountable. However, those who faithfully followed what the Pharisees taught them (even though it was wrong) were okay. In fact, their faithfulness in following the commandments of men was counted as righteousness because they believed that what the Pharisees were teaching them was true!

Isn't this the message behind the instructions to "test" a Teacher, Apostle or a Prophet? If we test them and determine that their teaching is correct in accordance with what has already been revealed to us as Truth by the Holy Spirit, then in following them and being faithful to what they teach is counted as righteousness (even if it turns out their teaching is false).

How can this be??? It is because each of us has had a different amount of Truth - different parts of All Truth - which has been revealed to us. Thus, in accordance with what HAS been revealed to us personally, we will make determinations on whether or not we will believe what ANYONE tries to teach us. The "standard" of Truth which we use is constantly evolving and expanding.

This is where learning from, and being guided by, the Holy Spirit becomes so essential to our ability to progress. The more Truth which has been revealed to us, the more we are able to discern who is a false teacher, prophet or apostle (especially knowing they will always be among us). The minimum requirements of the "test" are very simple!!! As long as a teacher, prophet, or apostle teaches:

1 Cor 15:3-4
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

From this point on, believers will receive whatever Truth they are ready to receive. We are all at different levels of receiving parts of all Truth. As such, our ability to discern false teachers, prophets, and apostles will be in accordance with what we have had revealed to us.

What happened to those who held the MOST Truth in times gone by??? More often than not, they were killed by those who had had less truth revealed to them, or by those who didn’t want to hear the Truth being taught. Today, rather than being killed, those who hold more Truth than another are persecuted by those who have had less truth revealed to them. The only thing that has changed is the severity of the persecution.

It is because people do not understand this very basic teaching which is the cause for all of the strife, the contentions, the divisions, etc., among us. This is why there are so many different denominations, why there was a great apostasy, why there was a Reformation, why there was a need for a Restoration. And yet, we still have not learned....even in the Restored church the same problem exists.

Mercifully, God is interested in our faithfulness to what we believe is true. As faith grows in us, our ability to be ready to receive more Truth is increased. That is because as our faith grows, our desire to seek for Truth increases. It is in seeking Truth that we can find it.

There is no commandment: Thou shalt not follow a false teacher or a false prophet or a false apostle. We WILL lose righteousness if we are not faithful to what we believe is true. We will lose righteousness if we do something a teacher, prophet or apostle tells us to do which we believe is wrong in accordance to the Truth we have received.

It is not a sin to follow a false teacher, prophet, or apostle. Peter was a True Apostle. However, he became a false Apostle when Jesus called him “Satan”, and again when he denied Jesus three times in one night. Should we throw all of Peter’s teachings away? Are we sinning by following Peter's teachings? I think not!! Our ability to discern falseness (darkness) increases with the amount of Truth (Light) which has been revealed to us.

There will always be false teachers, false apostles, and false prophets among us. It is the same within the LDS Church; both in Leadership and also amongst the members. There is no getting around this. This is how it is, how our world was set up.....it is up to each individual to make the choices which allow them to progress until they have received All Truth.

Blessings,

jo

Thank you for presenting the case for blind obedience.

Isn't it strange that God blesses us with the powers of logic, common sense and reasoning but then expects us not to use them when deciding to follow the Prophets counsel...