My parents had a plaster plaque hanging in our home, very typical of the 1940 & 50's. Verse 11 of the 25th Proverb in the King James displayed this motto.
Proverbs 25:11
A word fitly spoken
is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.
Authorized King James Version
The slight vagueness of the similitude would evoke ponderance as to its full meaning. Though the plaque is now long gone, I still reflect on its imagery.
Bible verse by verse
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Re: Bible verse by verse
Proverbs 26:1-28
Like snow on a summer or day rain while harvesting, so honor for a fool is inappropriate.
Like a fluttering sparrow or a flying swallow, an undeserved insult/explicative will not harm the one against whom it was directed.
A whip for a horse, a bridle for a donkey, and a switch to motivate fools.
Don’t answer a fool using his vernacular or you will be stooping to his level; but answer a fool as his remarks deserve, so that he won’t imagine he is wise.
Sending a fool on an important errand is like cutting off one’s feet and accepting mortification.
The legs of the disabled hang limp and powerless; likewise is proverb spoken by a fool.
Like one who ties his stone to the sling is he who honors a fool.
Like a thorn branch in the hand of a drunk, so is a proverb spoken by a fool.
A master craftsman can fabricate anything, but hiring a fool is like grabbing someone off the street.
Just as a dog returns to his vomit, a fool repeats his behavior pattern.
Meet someone who thinks himself wise? There is more hope for a fool than for such!
The lazy person always has a lame excuse for not accomplishing the tack at hand.
The door moves on its hinges, and the lazy man rolls on his bed.
The lazy person buries his hand in his plate but is too tired to raise it to his mouth.
A lazy man is wiser in his own opinion than 7 who speak sensibly.
Like someone who grabs a dog by the ears is a passer-by who gets mixed up in a fight not his own.
Like one shooting deadly arrows and is a rabble-rouser is one who pretends to be weak.
If there’s no wood, the fire goes out; if nobody gossips, the dispute stops.
As coals are to embers and wood to fire is a quarrelsome person to stirring up trouble.
A slanderer’s gossip are tantalizing morsels; they slide right down into his gut.
Like silver slag overlaid on a clay pot are lips that burn [with friendship] over a hating heart.
He who hates may hide it with his words; but inside, he harbors deceit. Such may speak pleasantly, but don’t trust him; for 7 abominations are in his heart. [Those being as follows: conceited bearing, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a schemers heart, mischievous feet, a lying witness, and one seeks to encourage quarreling among brethren.}
His hatred may be concealed by deceit, but his wickedness will be revealed publically.
Whoever digs a pit will capture himself, and a boulder will come back on the instigator.
A lying tongue hates its victims, and a flattering mouth brings unsuspected ruin.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, So honour [is] not comely for a fool.
2 As a bird by wandering, as a swallow by flying, So reviling without cause doth not come.
3 A whip is for a horse, a bridle for an ass, And a rod for the back of fools.
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou be like to him -- even thou.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
6 He is cutting off feet, he is drinking injury, Who is sending things by the hand of a fool.
7 Weak have been the two legs of the lame, And a parable in the mouth of fools.
8 As one who is binding a stone in a sling, So [is] he who is giving honour to a fool.
9 A thorn hath gone up into the hand of a drunkard, And a parable in the mouth of fools.
10 Great [is] the Former of all, And He is rewarding a fool, And is rewarding transgressors.
11 As a dog hath returned to its vomit, A fool is repeating his folly.
12 Thou hast seen a man wise in his own eyes, More hope of a fool than of him!
13 The slothful hath said, `A lion [is] in the way, A lion [is] in the broad places.'
14 The door turneth round on its hinge, And the slothful on his bed.
15 The slothful hath hid his hand in a dish, He is weary of bringing it back to his mouth.
16 Wiser [is] the slothful in his own eyes, Than seven [men] returning a reason.
17 Laying hold on the ears of a dog, [Is] a passer-by making himself wrath for strife not his own.
18 As [one] pretending to be feeble, Who is casting sparks, arrows, and death,
19 So hath a man deceived his neighbour, And hath said, `Am not I playing?'
20 Without wood is fire going out, And without a tale-bearer, contention ceaseth,
21 Coal to burning coals, and wood to fire, And a man of contentions to kindle strife.
22 The words of a tale-bearer [are] as self-inflicted wounds, And they have gone down [to] the inner parts of the heart.
23 Silver of dross spread over potsherd, [Are] burning lips and an evil heart.
24 By his lips doth a hater dissemble, And in his heart he placeth deceit,
25 When his voice is gracious trust not in him, For seven abominations [are] in his heart.
26 Hatred is covered by deceit, Revealed is its wickedness in an assembly.
27 Whoso is digging a pit falleth into it, And the roller of a stone, to him it turneth.
28 A lying tongue hateth its bruised ones, And a flattering mouth worketh an overthrow!
Like snow on a summer or day rain while harvesting, so honor for a fool is inappropriate.
Like a fluttering sparrow or a flying swallow, an undeserved insult/explicative will not harm the one against whom it was directed.
A whip for a horse, a bridle for a donkey, and a switch to motivate fools.
Don’t answer a fool using his vernacular or you will be stooping to his level; but answer a fool as his remarks deserve, so that he won’t imagine he is wise.
Sending a fool on an important errand is like cutting off one’s feet and accepting mortification.
The legs of the disabled hang limp and powerless; likewise is proverb spoken by a fool.
Like one who ties his stone to the sling is he who honors a fool.
Like a thorn branch in the hand of a drunk, so is a proverb spoken by a fool.
A master craftsman can fabricate anything, but hiring a fool is like grabbing someone off the street.
Just as a dog returns to his vomit, a fool repeats his behavior pattern.
Meet someone who thinks himself wise? There is more hope for a fool than for such!
The lazy person always has a lame excuse for not accomplishing the tack at hand.
The door moves on its hinges, and the lazy man rolls on his bed.
The lazy person buries his hand in his plate but is too tired to raise it to his mouth.
A lazy man is wiser in his own opinion than 7 who speak sensibly.
Like someone who grabs a dog by the ears is a passer-by who gets mixed up in a fight not his own.
Like one shooting deadly arrows and is a rabble-rouser is one who pretends to be weak.
If there’s no wood, the fire goes out; if nobody gossips, the dispute stops.
As coals are to embers and wood to fire is a quarrelsome person to stirring up trouble.
A slanderer’s gossip are tantalizing morsels; they slide right down into his gut.
Like silver slag overlaid on a clay pot are lips that burn [with friendship] over a hating heart.
He who hates may hide it with his words; but inside, he harbors deceit. Such may speak pleasantly, but don’t trust him; for 7 abominations are in his heart. [Those being as follows: conceited bearing, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a schemers heart, mischievous feet, a lying witness, and one seeks to encourage quarreling among brethren.}
His hatred may be concealed by deceit, but his wickedness will be revealed publically.
Whoever digs a pit will capture himself, and a boulder will come back on the instigator.
A lying tongue hates its victims, and a flattering mouth brings unsuspected ruin.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, So honour [is] not comely for a fool.
2 As a bird by wandering, as a swallow by flying, So reviling without cause doth not come.
3 A whip is for a horse, a bridle for an ass, And a rod for the back of fools.
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou be like to him -- even thou.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
6 He is cutting off feet, he is drinking injury, Who is sending things by the hand of a fool.
7 Weak have been the two legs of the lame, And a parable in the mouth of fools.
8 As one who is binding a stone in a sling, So [is] he who is giving honour to a fool.
9 A thorn hath gone up into the hand of a drunkard, And a parable in the mouth of fools.
10 Great [is] the Former of all, And He is rewarding a fool, And is rewarding transgressors.
11 As a dog hath returned to its vomit, A fool is repeating his folly.
12 Thou hast seen a man wise in his own eyes, More hope of a fool than of him!
13 The slothful hath said, `A lion [is] in the way, A lion [is] in the broad places.'
14 The door turneth round on its hinge, And the slothful on his bed.
15 The slothful hath hid his hand in a dish, He is weary of bringing it back to his mouth.
16 Wiser [is] the slothful in his own eyes, Than seven [men] returning a reason.
17 Laying hold on the ears of a dog, [Is] a passer-by making himself wrath for strife not his own.
18 As [one] pretending to be feeble, Who is casting sparks, arrows, and death,
19 So hath a man deceived his neighbour, And hath said, `Am not I playing?'
20 Without wood is fire going out, And without a tale-bearer, contention ceaseth,
21 Coal to burning coals, and wood to fire, And a man of contentions to kindle strife.
22 The words of a tale-bearer [are] as self-inflicted wounds, And they have gone down [to] the inner parts of the heart.
23 Silver of dross spread over potsherd, [Are] burning lips and an evil heart.
24 By his lips doth a hater dissemble, And in his heart he placeth deceit,
25 When his voice is gracious trust not in him, For seven abominations [are] in his heart.
26 Hatred is covered by deceit, Revealed is its wickedness in an assembly.
27 Whoso is digging a pit falleth into it, And the roller of a stone, to him it turneth.
28 A lying tongue hateth its bruised ones, And a flattering mouth worketh an overthrow!
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Proverbs 27:1-27
Don’t be self assured regarding tomorrow, because you have no absolute knowledge of what the day may deliver.
Let someone else praise you, not your own mouth ---- preferably a stranger's and not your own lips.
A boulder is heavy and sand a dead weight, but a fool’s goading is more oppressive than both..
Wrath is cruel and anger overwhelming, but who can stand up to jealousy?
A public reprimand is better than unrequited love.
Jibes from a friend are received as well-intended, but an enemy’s kisses are insincere.
A person who is stuffed hates a honeycomb; but to the starving, any bitter thing is savored.
Like a bird that strays from its nest is a man who leaves his home.
Perfume and incense make one content, also friendship sweet with advice from the heart.
Don’t relinquish a friend who happens to be a friend of your father.
Don’t enter your brother’s house on the day of your disaster — better a close neighbor than a distant brother.
My child, become wise, and make me happy, so that I can silence my critics.
The clever see trouble arriving and hide; the fool continue along and pay the price.
Seize his garments because he guaranteed a stranger’s loan; take them as security for that unknown woman.
Whoever greets his neighbor in a booming voice at daybreak might just as well have cursed him ---- [The same reaction is likely]
A leak that keeps dripping on a rainy day and a nagging wife are alike --- whomever can silence her can capture the wind or keep perfume on his hand from being smelt.
Just as iron sharpens iron, a person hones the character of his friend.
Whoever tends the fig tree will taste its fruit, and he who is attentive to his master will receive recognition.
Just as water reflects the face, so one human heart reflects another.
Hell and destruction are never filled, and human eyes are never content.
The crucible tests silver --- the furnace tests gold, but a person is tested by how he reacts towards praise.
You can smash a fool in a mortar with a pestle, along with the grain being crushed; yet his frivolity will remain intact.
Take care to know the health of your flocks.
Wealth doesn’t last forever, neither will one's a crown.
When the hay is cut, and new grass appears, and the mountain herbs gathered; lambs will provide your clothing, the goats will sell for enough to buy a field.
There will be enough goat’s milk to purchase food for your entire household and support servant girls.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 Boast not thyself of to-morrow, For thou knowest not what a day bringeth forth.
2 Let another praise thee, and not thine own mouth, A stranger, and not thine own lips.
3 A stone [is] heavy, and the sand [is] heavy, And the anger of a fool Is heavier than they both.
4 Fury [is] fierce, and anger [is] overflowing, And who standeth before jealousy?
5 Better [is] open reproof than hidden love.
6 Faithful are the wounds of a lover, And abundant the kisses of an enemy.
7 A satiated soul treadeth down a honeycomb, And [to] a hungry soul every bitter thing [is] sweet.
8 As a bird wandering from her nest, So [is] a man wandering from his place.
9 Ointment and perfume rejoice the heart, And the sweetness of one's friend -- from counsel of the soul.
10 Thine own friend, and the friend of thy father, forsake not, And the house of thy brother enter not In a day of thy calamity, Better [is] a near neighbour than a brother afar off.
11 Be wise, my son, and rejoice my heart. And I return my reproacher a word.
12 The prudent hath seen the evil, he is hidden, The simple have passed on, they are punished.
13 Take his garment, when a stranger hath been surety, And for a strange woman pledge it.
14 Whoso is saluting his friend with a loud voice, In the morning rising early, A light thing it is reckoned to him.
15 A continual dropping in a day of rain, And a woman of contentions are alike,
16 Whoso is hiding her hath hidden the wind, And the ointment of his right hand calleth out.
17 Iron by iron is sharpened, And a man sharpens the face of his friend.
18 The keeper of a fig-tree eateth its fruit, And the preserver of his master is honoured.
19 As [in] water the face [is] to face, So the heart of man to man.
20 Sheol and destruction are not satisfied, And the eyes of man are not satisfied.
21 A refining pot [is] for silver, and a furnace for gold, And a man according to his praise.
22 If thou dost beat the foolish in a mortar, Among washed things -- with a pestle, His folly turneth not aside from off him.
23 Know well the face of thy flock, Set thy heart to the droves,
24 For riches [are] not to the age, Nor a crown to generation and generation.
25 Revealed was the hay, and seen the tender grass, And gathered the herbs of mountains.
26 Lambs [are] for thy clothing, And the price of the field [are] he-goats,
27 And a sufficiency of goats' milk [is] for thy bread, For bread to thy house, and life to thy damsels!
Don’t be self assured regarding tomorrow, because you have no absolute knowledge of what the day may deliver.
Let someone else praise you, not your own mouth ---- preferably a stranger's and not your own lips.
A boulder is heavy and sand a dead weight, but a fool’s goading is more oppressive than both..
Wrath is cruel and anger overwhelming, but who can stand up to jealousy?
A public reprimand is better than unrequited love.
Jibes from a friend are received as well-intended, but an enemy’s kisses are insincere.
A person who is stuffed hates a honeycomb; but to the starving, any bitter thing is savored.
Like a bird that strays from its nest is a man who leaves his home.
Perfume and incense make one content, also friendship sweet with advice from the heart.
Don’t relinquish a friend who happens to be a friend of your father.
Don’t enter your brother’s house on the day of your disaster — better a close neighbor than a distant brother.
My child, become wise, and make me happy, so that I can silence my critics.
The clever see trouble arriving and hide; the fool continue along and pay the price.
Seize his garments because he guaranteed a stranger’s loan; take them as security for that unknown woman.
Whoever greets his neighbor in a booming voice at daybreak might just as well have cursed him ---- [The same reaction is likely]
A leak that keeps dripping on a rainy day and a nagging wife are alike --- whomever can silence her can capture the wind or keep perfume on his hand from being smelt.
Just as iron sharpens iron, a person hones the character of his friend.
Whoever tends the fig tree will taste its fruit, and he who is attentive to his master will receive recognition.
Just as water reflects the face, so one human heart reflects another.
Hell and destruction are never filled, and human eyes are never content.
The crucible tests silver --- the furnace tests gold, but a person is tested by how he reacts towards praise.
You can smash a fool in a mortar with a pestle, along with the grain being crushed; yet his frivolity will remain intact.
Take care to know the health of your flocks.
Wealth doesn’t last forever, neither will one's a crown.
When the hay is cut, and new grass appears, and the mountain herbs gathered; lambs will provide your clothing, the goats will sell for enough to buy a field.
There will be enough goat’s milk to purchase food for your entire household and support servant girls.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 Boast not thyself of to-morrow, For thou knowest not what a day bringeth forth.
2 Let another praise thee, and not thine own mouth, A stranger, and not thine own lips.
3 A stone [is] heavy, and the sand [is] heavy, And the anger of a fool Is heavier than they both.
4 Fury [is] fierce, and anger [is] overflowing, And who standeth before jealousy?
5 Better [is] open reproof than hidden love.
6 Faithful are the wounds of a lover, And abundant the kisses of an enemy.
7 A satiated soul treadeth down a honeycomb, And [to] a hungry soul every bitter thing [is] sweet.
8 As a bird wandering from her nest, So [is] a man wandering from his place.
9 Ointment and perfume rejoice the heart, And the sweetness of one's friend -- from counsel of the soul.
10 Thine own friend, and the friend of thy father, forsake not, And the house of thy brother enter not In a day of thy calamity, Better [is] a near neighbour than a brother afar off.
11 Be wise, my son, and rejoice my heart. And I return my reproacher a word.
12 The prudent hath seen the evil, he is hidden, The simple have passed on, they are punished.
13 Take his garment, when a stranger hath been surety, And for a strange woman pledge it.
14 Whoso is saluting his friend with a loud voice, In the morning rising early, A light thing it is reckoned to him.
15 A continual dropping in a day of rain, And a woman of contentions are alike,
16 Whoso is hiding her hath hidden the wind, And the ointment of his right hand calleth out.
17 Iron by iron is sharpened, And a man sharpens the face of his friend.
18 The keeper of a fig-tree eateth its fruit, And the preserver of his master is honoured.
19 As [in] water the face [is] to face, So the heart of man to man.
20 Sheol and destruction are not satisfied, And the eyes of man are not satisfied.
21 A refining pot [is] for silver, and a furnace for gold, And a man according to his praise.
22 If thou dost beat the foolish in a mortar, Among washed things -- with a pestle, His folly turneth not aside from off him.
23 Know well the face of thy flock, Set thy heart to the droves,
24 For riches [are] not to the age, Nor a crown to generation and generation.
25 Revealed was the hay, and seen the tender grass, And gathered the herbs of mountains.
26 Lambs [are] for thy clothing, And the price of the field [are] he-goats,
27 And a sufficiency of goats' milk [is] for thy bread, For bread to thy house, and life to thy damsels!
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Proverbs 28:1-28
The wicked are afraid of their own shadow, but the righteous are confident like a lion.
When a country rebels, many assume power; but a person with understanding establishes order.
Poor people who oppress those in want are like rain that ruins crops.
Those who discard Instruction exalt the wicked, but those who follow Instruction plead against such.
Evil people don’t comprehend justice, but those who seek the Lord understand everything.
Far better to be poor and walk in innocence than to be a wealthy crook.
Intelligent children follow Instruction, but those who befriend bingers shame their parents.
Those who become rich through high interest rates gather assets for those who are magnanimous with the poor.
Those who turn their ears away from listening to Instruction— even their prayers will be despised.
Whoever misdirect those who do right onto an evil path will stumble into their own trap, but the blameless will inherit wonderful things.
Rich people think they are wise, but an insightful poor person finds such very transparent.
When the righteous rejoice, there is much respect, but people seek shelter when the wicked prosper.
Those who hide their sins will fail, but those who confess and hand them over will receive pardon.
Joyous are those who are always considerate, but those whose hearts are hard fall into trouble.
A wicked ruler over the poor is like a hungry lion or bear.
A ruler without understanding is cruelly oppressive, but one who hates unjust gain should have a long life.
Someone guilty about a murder, will run towards the trap --- don't stand in the way.
Those who pursue innocence will be saved, but those who go on crooked paths will fall into the grave.
Those who work the land will have enough to eat, but those with worthless pursuits will reap poverty.
Reliable people will be abundantly blessed, but those with get-rich-quick schemes will receive punishment.
Those who show favoritism aren’t good; people do wrong for mere crumbs.
The stingy try to get rich quick, unaware that loss is just around the corner.
Those who correct someone will, in the end, gain more approval than those who flatter.
Those who steal from their father and mother, and say, “It’s not a crime,” befriend looters.
Greedy people stir up trouble, but those who trust the Lord become prosperous.
Those who trust in their own rationalizations are fools, but those who walk wisely will be protected.
Those who give to the poor will have what they need, but those who ignore their plight will be cursed.
When the wicked gain the upper hand, people hide, but when they are destroyed, the righteousness spreads.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 The wicked have fled and there is no pursuer. And the righteous as a young lion is confident.
2 By the transgression of a land many [are] its heads. And by an intelligent man, Who knoweth right -- it is prolonged.
3 A man -- poor and oppressing the weak, [Is] a sweeping rain, and there is no bread.
4 Those forsaking the law praise the wicked, Those keeping the law plead against them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment, And those seeking Jehovah understand all.
6 Better [is] the poor walking in his integrity, Than the perverse of ways who is rich.
7 Whoso is keeping the law is an intelligent son, And a friend of gluttons, Doth cause his father to blush.
8 Whoso is multiplying his wealth by biting and usury, For one favouring the poor doth gather it.
9 Whoso is turning his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer [is] an abomination.
10 Whoso is causing the upright to err in an evil way, Into his own pit he doth fall, And the perfect do inherit good.
11 A rich man is wise in his own eyes, And the intelligent poor searcheth him.
12 In the exulting of the righteous the glory [is] abundant, And in the rising of the wicked man is apprehensive.
13 Whoso is covering his transgressions prospereth not, And he who is confessing and forsaking hath mercy.
14 O the happiness of a man fearing continually, And whoso is hardening his heart falleth into evil.
15 A growling lion, and a ranging bear, [Is] the wicked ruler over a poor people.
16 A leader lacking understanding multiplieth oppressions, Whoso is hating dishonest gain prolongeth days.
17 A man oppressed with the blood of a soul, Unto the pit fleeth, none taketh hold on him.
18 Whoso is walking uprightly is saved, And the perverted of ways falleth at once.
19 Whoso is tilling his ground is satisfied [with] bread, And whoso is pursuing vanity, Is filled [with] poverty.
20 A stedfast man hath multiplied blessings, And whoso is hasting to be rich is not acquitted.
21 To discern faces is not good, And for a piece of bread doth a man transgress.
22 Troubled for wealth [is] the man [with] an evil eye, And he knoweth not that want doth meet him.
23 Whoso is reproving a man afterwards findeth grace, More than a flatterer with the tongue.
24 Whoso is robbing his father, or his mother, And is saying, `It is not transgression,' A companion he is to a destroyer.
25 Whoso is proud in soul stirreth up contention, And whoso is trusting on Jehovah is made fat.
26 Whoso is trusting in his heart is a fool, And whoso is walking in wisdom is delivered.
27 Whoso is giving to the poor hath no lack, And whoso is hiding his eyes multiplied curses.
28 In the rising of the wicked a man is hidden, And in their destruction the righteous multiply!
The wicked are afraid of their own shadow, but the righteous are confident like a lion.
When a country rebels, many assume power; but a person with understanding establishes order.
Poor people who oppress those in want are like rain that ruins crops.
Those who discard Instruction exalt the wicked, but those who follow Instruction plead against such.
Evil people don’t comprehend justice, but those who seek the Lord understand everything.
Far better to be poor and walk in innocence than to be a wealthy crook.
Intelligent children follow Instruction, but those who befriend bingers shame their parents.
Those who become rich through high interest rates gather assets for those who are magnanimous with the poor.
Those who turn their ears away from listening to Instruction— even their prayers will be despised.
Whoever misdirect those who do right onto an evil path will stumble into their own trap, but the blameless will inherit wonderful things.
Rich people think they are wise, but an insightful poor person finds such very transparent.
When the righteous rejoice, there is much respect, but people seek shelter when the wicked prosper.
Those who hide their sins will fail, but those who confess and hand them over will receive pardon.
Joyous are those who are always considerate, but those whose hearts are hard fall into trouble.
A wicked ruler over the poor is like a hungry lion or bear.
A ruler without understanding is cruelly oppressive, but one who hates unjust gain should have a long life.
Someone guilty about a murder, will run towards the trap --- don't stand in the way.
Those who pursue innocence will be saved, but those who go on crooked paths will fall into the grave.
Those who work the land will have enough to eat, but those with worthless pursuits will reap poverty.
Reliable people will be abundantly blessed, but those with get-rich-quick schemes will receive punishment.
Those who show favoritism aren’t good; people do wrong for mere crumbs.
The stingy try to get rich quick, unaware that loss is just around the corner.
Those who correct someone will, in the end, gain more approval than those who flatter.
Those who steal from their father and mother, and say, “It’s not a crime,” befriend looters.
Greedy people stir up trouble, but those who trust the Lord become prosperous.
Those who trust in their own rationalizations are fools, but those who walk wisely will be protected.
Those who give to the poor will have what they need, but those who ignore their plight will be cursed.
When the wicked gain the upper hand, people hide, but when they are destroyed, the righteousness spreads.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 The wicked have fled and there is no pursuer. And the righteous as a young lion is confident.
2 By the transgression of a land many [are] its heads. And by an intelligent man, Who knoweth right -- it is prolonged.
3 A man -- poor and oppressing the weak, [Is] a sweeping rain, and there is no bread.
4 Those forsaking the law praise the wicked, Those keeping the law plead against them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment, And those seeking Jehovah understand all.
6 Better [is] the poor walking in his integrity, Than the perverse of ways who is rich.
7 Whoso is keeping the law is an intelligent son, And a friend of gluttons, Doth cause his father to blush.
8 Whoso is multiplying his wealth by biting and usury, For one favouring the poor doth gather it.
9 Whoso is turning his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer [is] an abomination.
10 Whoso is causing the upright to err in an evil way, Into his own pit he doth fall, And the perfect do inherit good.
11 A rich man is wise in his own eyes, And the intelligent poor searcheth him.
12 In the exulting of the righteous the glory [is] abundant, And in the rising of the wicked man is apprehensive.
13 Whoso is covering his transgressions prospereth not, And he who is confessing and forsaking hath mercy.
14 O the happiness of a man fearing continually, And whoso is hardening his heart falleth into evil.
15 A growling lion, and a ranging bear, [Is] the wicked ruler over a poor people.
16 A leader lacking understanding multiplieth oppressions, Whoso is hating dishonest gain prolongeth days.
17 A man oppressed with the blood of a soul, Unto the pit fleeth, none taketh hold on him.
18 Whoso is walking uprightly is saved, And the perverted of ways falleth at once.
19 Whoso is tilling his ground is satisfied [with] bread, And whoso is pursuing vanity, Is filled [with] poverty.
20 A stedfast man hath multiplied blessings, And whoso is hasting to be rich is not acquitted.
21 To discern faces is not good, And for a piece of bread doth a man transgress.
22 Troubled for wealth [is] the man [with] an evil eye, And he knoweth not that want doth meet him.
23 Whoso is reproving a man afterwards findeth grace, More than a flatterer with the tongue.
24 Whoso is robbing his father, or his mother, And is saying, `It is not transgression,' A companion he is to a destroyer.
25 Whoso is proud in soul stirreth up contention, And whoso is trusting on Jehovah is made fat.
26 Whoso is trusting in his heart is a fool, And whoso is walking in wisdom is delivered.
27 Whoso is giving to the poor hath no lack, And whoso is hiding his eyes multiplied curses.
28 In the rising of the wicked a man is hidden, And in their destruction the righteous multiply!
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Proverbs 29:1-27
He who remains stubborn after many reprimands will be suddenly and incurably demoralized.
When the righteous flourish, the nation is happy; but when the wicked are in control, the people moan.
Whoever loves wisdom brings joy to his father, but a patron of prostitutes throws away his wealth.
A just ruler gives stability to a country, but one who overtaxes it brings it to ruin.
A person who flatters his neighbor spreads a net by encouraging conceit.
An evil person’s crime harbors a trap, but the righteous are happy and gay.
The righteous understands the poor's need, but the wicked don't care.
Scoffers can bring riot to a city, but the wise can calm the unsettled.
When a wise man debates with a foolish one, he meets anger and ridicule beyond relief.
Men of blood hate those who are pure and seek to destroy the upright.
A fool vents to all his feelings, but the wise, thinking of tomorrow, remains quiet.
If a ruler listens to lies, then all his ministers will be regarded as wicked.
The poor and the oppressor have this in common: God provides understanding to both.
If a ruler continuously provides justice to the poor, his throne will be secure.
Spanking and rebuke provide wisdom, but a child left to his own devices will shame his mother.
When the wicked flourish, wrongdoing is nurtured and grows but the righteous will observe their downfall.
Discipline your child, and he will give you rest; yes, he will make you content.
Without a prophetic vision, the people will rebel; but he who follows the Law is content.
A slave can’t be disciplined with mere words; he may understand, but he won’t change.
Have you seen someone too afraid to speak? There an more chance for a fool than for him.
A slave who is spoiled from childhood will in the end be ungrateful.
Angry people stir up trouble; hot-tempered people commit many atrocities.
The proud will be humbled, but the humble will receive honored.
The accomplice of a thief hates himself; he hears himself being placed under an oath but admits nothing.
Fearing human beings is a snare; but he who trusts in God will rise up above the danger.
Many seek the ruler’s favor, but it is from God that justice is dispersed.
An unjust person is an abomination to the righteous, but he who lives uprightly is hated by the wicked.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 A man often reproved, hardening the neck, Is suddenly broken, and there is no healing.
2 In the multiplying of the righteous the people rejoice, And in the ruling of the wicked the people sigh.
3 A man loving wisdom rejoiceth his father, And a friend of harlots destroyeth wealth.
4 A king by judgment establisheth a land, And one receiving gifts throweth it down.
5 A man taking a portion above his neighbour, Spreadeth a net for his own steps.
6 In the transgression of the evil [is] a snare, And the righteous doth sing and rejoice.
7 The righteous knoweth the plea of the poor, The wicked understandeth not knowledge.
8 Men of scorning ensnare a city, And the wise turn back anger.
9 A wise man is judged by the foolish man, And he hath been angry, And he hath laughed, and there is no rest.
10 Men of blood hate the perfect, And the upright seek his soul.
11 A fool bringeth out all his mind, And the wise till afterwards restraineth it.
12 A ruler who is attending to lying words, All his ministers [are] wicked.
13 The poor and the man of frauds have met together, Jehovah is enlightening the eyes of them both.
14 a king that is judging truly the poor, His throne for ever is established.
15 A rod and reproof give wisdom, And a youth let away is shaming his mother.
16 In the multiplying of the wicked transgression multiplieth, And the righteous on their fall do look.
17 Chastise thy son, and he giveth thee comfort, Yea, he giveth delights to thy soul.
18 Without a Vision is a people made naked, And whoso is keeping the law, O his happiness!
19 By words a servant is not instructed though he understand, And there is nothing answering.
20 Thou hast seen a man hasty in his words! More hope of a fool than of him.
21 Whoso is bringing up his servant delicately, from youth, [At] his latter end also he is continuator.
22 An angry man stirreth up contention, And a furious man is multiplying transgression.
23 The pride of man humbleth him, And humility of spirit upholdeth honour.
24 Whoso is sharing with a thief is hating his own soul, Execration he heareth, and telleth not.
25 Fear of man causeth a snare, And the confident in Jehovah is set on high.
26 Many are seeking the face of a ruler, And from Jehovah [is] the judgment of each.
27 An abomination to the righteous [is] the perverse man, And an abomination to the wicked [is] the upright in the way!
He who remains stubborn after many reprimands will be suddenly and incurably demoralized.
When the righteous flourish, the nation is happy; but when the wicked are in control, the people moan.
Whoever loves wisdom brings joy to his father, but a patron of prostitutes throws away his wealth.
A just ruler gives stability to a country, but one who overtaxes it brings it to ruin.
A person who flatters his neighbor spreads a net by encouraging conceit.
An evil person’s crime harbors a trap, but the righteous are happy and gay.
The righteous understands the poor's need, but the wicked don't care.
Scoffers can bring riot to a city, but the wise can calm the unsettled.
When a wise man debates with a foolish one, he meets anger and ridicule beyond relief.
Men of blood hate those who are pure and seek to destroy the upright.
A fool vents to all his feelings, but the wise, thinking of tomorrow, remains quiet.
If a ruler listens to lies, then all his ministers will be regarded as wicked.
The poor and the oppressor have this in common: God provides understanding to both.
If a ruler continuously provides justice to the poor, his throne will be secure.
Spanking and rebuke provide wisdom, but a child left to his own devices will shame his mother.
When the wicked flourish, wrongdoing is nurtured and grows but the righteous will observe their downfall.
Discipline your child, and he will give you rest; yes, he will make you content.
Without a prophetic vision, the people will rebel; but he who follows the Law is content.
A slave can’t be disciplined with mere words; he may understand, but he won’t change.
Have you seen someone too afraid to speak? There an more chance for a fool than for him.
A slave who is spoiled from childhood will in the end be ungrateful.
Angry people stir up trouble; hot-tempered people commit many atrocities.
The proud will be humbled, but the humble will receive honored.
The accomplice of a thief hates himself; he hears himself being placed under an oath but admits nothing.
Fearing human beings is a snare; but he who trusts in God will rise up above the danger.
Many seek the ruler’s favor, but it is from God that justice is dispersed.
An unjust person is an abomination to the righteous, but he who lives uprightly is hated by the wicked.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 A man often reproved, hardening the neck, Is suddenly broken, and there is no healing.
2 In the multiplying of the righteous the people rejoice, And in the ruling of the wicked the people sigh.
3 A man loving wisdom rejoiceth his father, And a friend of harlots destroyeth wealth.
4 A king by judgment establisheth a land, And one receiving gifts throweth it down.
5 A man taking a portion above his neighbour, Spreadeth a net for his own steps.
6 In the transgression of the evil [is] a snare, And the righteous doth sing and rejoice.
7 The righteous knoweth the plea of the poor, The wicked understandeth not knowledge.
8 Men of scorning ensnare a city, And the wise turn back anger.
9 A wise man is judged by the foolish man, And he hath been angry, And he hath laughed, and there is no rest.
10 Men of blood hate the perfect, And the upright seek his soul.
11 A fool bringeth out all his mind, And the wise till afterwards restraineth it.
12 A ruler who is attending to lying words, All his ministers [are] wicked.
13 The poor and the man of frauds have met together, Jehovah is enlightening the eyes of them both.
14 a king that is judging truly the poor, His throne for ever is established.
15 A rod and reproof give wisdom, And a youth let away is shaming his mother.
16 In the multiplying of the wicked transgression multiplieth, And the righteous on their fall do look.
17 Chastise thy son, and he giveth thee comfort, Yea, he giveth delights to thy soul.
18 Without a Vision is a people made naked, And whoso is keeping the law, O his happiness!
19 By words a servant is not instructed though he understand, And there is nothing answering.
20 Thou hast seen a man hasty in his words! More hope of a fool than of him.
21 Whoso is bringing up his servant delicately, from youth, [At] his latter end also he is continuator.
22 An angry man stirreth up contention, And a furious man is multiplying transgression.
23 The pride of man humbleth him, And humility of spirit upholdeth honour.
24 Whoso is sharing with a thief is hating his own soul, Execration he heareth, and telleth not.
25 Fear of man causeth a snare, And the confident in Jehovah is set on high.
26 Many are seeking the face of a ruler, And from Jehovah [is] the judgment of each.
27 An abomination to the righteous [is] the perverse man, And an abomination to the wicked [is] the upright in the way!
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Re: Bible verse by verse
MCB wrote:On the other hand, it doesn't say that a council of gods assembled the earth from pre-existing material.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: It is kinda hard to "our" if it is just one.
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The CCC wrote:MCB wrote:On the other hand, it doesn't say that a council of gods assembled the earth from pre-existing material.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: It is kinda hard to "our" if it is just one.
It is not at all unreasonable if GOD is TRIUNE. The Bible provides an understanding that God "The Father," "The Son," and "The Holy Spirit," all had a hand in the Creation process. Man is essentially a "Creative" being and so in that regard is reflective of GOD's ability. Man posses a Body, Soul and Spirit and this also dramatizes/illustrates GOD's form to a point.
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Re: Bible verse by verse
MCB wrote:On the other hand, it doesn't say that a council of gods assembled the earth from pre-existing material.
The CCC wrote:Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: It is kinda hard to "our" if it is just one.
LittleNipper wrote:It is not at all unreasonable if GOD is TRIUNE. The Bible provides an understanding that God "The Father," "The Son," and "The Holy Spirit," all had a hand in the Creation process. Man is essentially a "Creative" being and so in that regard is reflective of GOD's ability. Man posses a Body, Soul and Spirit and this also dramatizes/illustrates GOD's form to a point.
I think it is simply majestic plural.
Several prominent epithets of the Bible describe the Jewish God in plural terms: Elohim, Adonai, and El Shaddai. Many Christian scholars, including the likes of Augustine of Hippo, have seen the use of the plural and grammatically singular verb forms as support for the doctrine of the Trinity. Judaism rejects the notion of the Trinity and argues instead that these cases are merely examples of the majestic plural.
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Re: Bible verse by verse
Proverbs 30:1-33
The words of Agur son of the oracle Jakeh.
The man declares, "I am worn out, God!
Surely I am too stupid to be human. I don't understand like a man.
I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One."
Who has ascended to heaven and returned? Who has caught the winds in his fists? Who has gathered the waters in a garment? Who has established all boundaries of the earth? What is He called, and what is his son's name? Surely you know!
Every word of God is correct; he is protection to those who take refuge in him.
Do not add to His sayings, lest He scold you and you be proven a liar.
2 things I pled of you; do not deny them before I die:
Take away any falsehood and lying; make me neither poor or wealthy; simply provide food that will nourish me ----- unless I be content and deny you and say, “Where is God?” or I become poor and steal and curse the name of my God.
Never slander a servant to his master, or he may curse you and you be held guilty.
There are those who blaspheme their fathers and do not bless their mothers.
There are those who are worthy in their own eyes but are really filthy.
There are those—who are conceited.
There are those whose teeth are swords, whose fangs are knives, to destroy the poor and the needy from among mankind.
The leech has two daughters: Give and Give more. Three things are never satisfied; four never say, “STOP”:
Hell, the barren womb, the land always needs water, and the fire that burns and burns.
The eye that mocks a father and scornfully doesn't listen to a mother, will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures. [End up as road kill on the highway of life]
3 things are beyond me; 4 I do not understand:
The way of an eagle in the sky, a snake on a rock, a ship at sea, and a man with a virgin.
This is the way of an adulteress: she eats and politely wipes her mouth and exclaims, “I've done nothing wrong.”
Under 3 things the earth trembles; under 4 it cannot support:
A slave when he becomes a ruler, a fool when he is stuffed with food; an unloved woman when she finally gets a husband, and a maidservant when she replaces her mistress.
4 things on earth are small, but exceedingly wise:
The ants are not strong creatures, yet they provide their food in the summer; the rock badgers are creatures not mighty, yet they make their nests in the cliffs; locusts have no ruler, yet all of them march together; the lizard you can capture n your hands, yet it is found in palaces.
3 things are stately in their walk; 4 are stately in their stride:
The lion, which is mightiest among beasts and does not withdraw from others; the strutting cock, the he-goat, and a king whose army supports him.
If you have been foolish, exalting yourself, or if you have been planning evil, cover your mouth.
Pressing milk produces curds, tweaking the nose produces blood, and pressing anger produces strife.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 Words of a Gatherer, son of an obedient one, the declaration, an affirmation of the man: -- I have wearied myself [for] God, I have wearied myself [for] God, and am consumed.
2 For I am more brutish than any one, And have not the understanding of a man.
3 Nor have I learned wisdom, Yet the knowledge of Holy Ones I know.
4 Who went up to heaven, and cometh down? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound waters in a garment? Who established all ends of the earth? What [is] His name? and what His son's name? Surely thou knowest!
5 Every saying of God [is] tried, A shield He [is] to those trusting in Him.
6 Add not to His words, lest He reason with thee, And thou hast been found false.
7 Two things I have asked from Thee, Withhold not from me before I die.
8 Vanity and a lying word put far from me, Poverty or wealth give not to me, Cause me to eat the bread of my portion,
9 Lest I become satiated, and have denied, And have said, `Who [is] Jehovah?' And lest I be poor, and have stolen, And have laid hold of the name of my God.
10 Accuse not a servant unto his lord, Lest he disesteem thee, and thou be found guilty.
11 A generation [is], that lightly esteemeth their father, And their mother doth not bless.
12 A generation -- pure in their own eyes, But from their own filth not washed.
13 A generation -- how high are their eyes, Yea, their eyelids are lifted up.
14 A generation -- swords [are] their teeth, And knives -- their jaw-teeth, To consume the poor from earth, And the needy from [among] men.
15 To the leech [are] two daughters, `Give, give, Lo, three things are not satisfied, Four have not said `Sufficiency;'
16 Sheol, and a restrained womb, Earth -- it [is] not satisfied [with] water, And fire -- it hath not said, `Sufficiency,'
17 An eye that mocketh at a father, And despiseth to obey a mother, Dig it out do ravens of the valley, And eat it do young eagles.
18 Three things have been too wonderful for me, Yea, four that I have not known:
19 The way of the eagle in the heavens, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the heart of the sea, And the way of a man in youth.
20 So -- the way of an adulterous woman, She hath eaten and hath wiped her mouth, And hath said, `I have not done iniquity.'
21 For three things hath earth been troubled, And for four -- it is not able to bear:
22 For a servant when he reigneth, And a fool when he is satisfied with bread,
23 For a hated one when she ruleth, And a maid-servant when she succeedeth her mistress.
24 Four [are] little ones of earth, And they are made wiser than the wise:
25 The ants [are] a people not strong, And they prepare in summer their food,
26 Conies [are] a people not strong, And they place in a rock their house,
27 A king there is not to the locust, And it goeth out -- each one shouting,
28 A spider with two hands taketh hold, And is in the palaces of a king.
29 Three there are going well, Yea, four are good in going:
30 An old lion -- mighty among beasts, That turneth not back from the face of any,
31 A girt one of the loins, or a he-goat, And a king -- no rising up with him.
32 If thou hast been foolish in lifting up thyself, And if thou hast devised evil -- hand to mouth!
33 For the churning of milk bringeth out butter, And the wringing of the nose bringeth out blood, And the forcing of anger bringeth out strife!
The words of Agur son of the oracle Jakeh.
The man declares, "I am worn out, God!
Surely I am too stupid to be human. I don't understand like a man.
I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One."
Who has ascended to heaven and returned? Who has caught the winds in his fists? Who has gathered the waters in a garment? Who has established all boundaries of the earth? What is He called, and what is his son's name? Surely you know!
Every word of God is correct; he is protection to those who take refuge in him.
Do not add to His sayings, lest He scold you and you be proven a liar.
2 things I pled of you; do not deny them before I die:
Take away any falsehood and lying; make me neither poor or wealthy; simply provide food that will nourish me ----- unless I be content and deny you and say, “Where is God?” or I become poor and steal and curse the name of my God.
Never slander a servant to his master, or he may curse you and you be held guilty.
There are those who blaspheme their fathers and do not bless their mothers.
There are those who are worthy in their own eyes but are really filthy.
There are those—who are conceited.
There are those whose teeth are swords, whose fangs are knives, to destroy the poor and the needy from among mankind.
The leech has two daughters: Give and Give more. Three things are never satisfied; four never say, “STOP”:
Hell, the barren womb, the land always needs water, and the fire that burns and burns.
The eye that mocks a father and scornfully doesn't listen to a mother, will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures. [End up as road kill on the highway of life]
3 things are beyond me; 4 I do not understand:
The way of an eagle in the sky, a snake on a rock, a ship at sea, and a man with a virgin.
This is the way of an adulteress: she eats and politely wipes her mouth and exclaims, “I've done nothing wrong.”
Under 3 things the earth trembles; under 4 it cannot support:
A slave when he becomes a ruler, a fool when he is stuffed with food; an unloved woman when she finally gets a husband, and a maidservant when she replaces her mistress.
4 things on earth are small, but exceedingly wise:
The ants are not strong creatures, yet they provide their food in the summer; the rock badgers are creatures not mighty, yet they make their nests in the cliffs; locusts have no ruler, yet all of them march together; the lizard you can capture n your hands, yet it is found in palaces.
3 things are stately in their walk; 4 are stately in their stride:
The lion, which is mightiest among beasts and does not withdraw from others; the strutting cock, the he-goat, and a king whose army supports him.
If you have been foolish, exalting yourself, or if you have been planning evil, cover your mouth.
Pressing milk produces curds, tweaking the nose produces blood, and pressing anger produces strife.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 Words of a Gatherer, son of an obedient one, the declaration, an affirmation of the man: -- I have wearied myself [for] God, I have wearied myself [for] God, and am consumed.
2 For I am more brutish than any one, And have not the understanding of a man.
3 Nor have I learned wisdom, Yet the knowledge of Holy Ones I know.
4 Who went up to heaven, and cometh down? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound waters in a garment? Who established all ends of the earth? What [is] His name? and what His son's name? Surely thou knowest!
5 Every saying of God [is] tried, A shield He [is] to those trusting in Him.
6 Add not to His words, lest He reason with thee, And thou hast been found false.
7 Two things I have asked from Thee, Withhold not from me before I die.
8 Vanity and a lying word put far from me, Poverty or wealth give not to me, Cause me to eat the bread of my portion,
9 Lest I become satiated, and have denied, And have said, `Who [is] Jehovah?' And lest I be poor, and have stolen, And have laid hold of the name of my God.
10 Accuse not a servant unto his lord, Lest he disesteem thee, and thou be found guilty.
11 A generation [is], that lightly esteemeth their father, And their mother doth not bless.
12 A generation -- pure in their own eyes, But from their own filth not washed.
13 A generation -- how high are their eyes, Yea, their eyelids are lifted up.
14 A generation -- swords [are] their teeth, And knives -- their jaw-teeth, To consume the poor from earth, And the needy from [among] men.
15 To the leech [are] two daughters, `Give, give, Lo, three things are not satisfied, Four have not said `Sufficiency;'
16 Sheol, and a restrained womb, Earth -- it [is] not satisfied [with] water, And fire -- it hath not said, `Sufficiency,'
17 An eye that mocketh at a father, And despiseth to obey a mother, Dig it out do ravens of the valley, And eat it do young eagles.
18 Three things have been too wonderful for me, Yea, four that I have not known:
19 The way of the eagle in the heavens, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the heart of the sea, And the way of a man in youth.
20 So -- the way of an adulterous woman, She hath eaten and hath wiped her mouth, And hath said, `I have not done iniquity.'
21 For three things hath earth been troubled, And for four -- it is not able to bear:
22 For a servant when he reigneth, And a fool when he is satisfied with bread,
23 For a hated one when she ruleth, And a maid-servant when she succeedeth her mistress.
24 Four [are] little ones of earth, And they are made wiser than the wise:
25 The ants [are] a people not strong, And they prepare in summer their food,
26 Conies [are] a people not strong, And they place in a rock their house,
27 A king there is not to the locust, And it goeth out -- each one shouting,
28 A spider with two hands taketh hold, And is in the palaces of a king.
29 Three there are going well, Yea, four are good in going:
30 An old lion -- mighty among beasts, That turneth not back from the face of any,
31 A girt one of the loins, or a he-goat, And a king -- no rising up with him.
32 If thou hast been foolish in lifting up thyself, And if thou hast devised evil -- hand to mouth!
33 For the churning of milk bringeth out butter, And the wringing of the nose bringeth out blood, And the forcing of anger bringeth out strife!
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Re: Bible verse by verse
ludwigm wrote:MCB wrote:On the other hand, it doesn't say that a council of gods assembled the earth from pre-existing material.The CCC wrote:Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: It is kinda hard to "our" if it is just one.LittleNipper wrote:It is not at all unreasonable if GOD is TRIUNE. The Bible provides an understanding that God "The Father," "The Son," and "The Holy Spirit," all had a hand in the Creation process. Man is essentially a "Creative" being and so in that regard is reflective of GOD's ability. Man posses a Body, Soul and Spirit and this also dramatizes/illustrates GOD's form to a point.
I think it is simply majestic plural.Several prominent epithets of the Bible describe the Jewish God in plural terms: Elohim, Adonai, and El Shaddai. Many Christian scholars, including the likes of Augustine of Hippo, have seen the use of the plural and grammatically singular verb forms as support for the doctrine of the Trinity. Judaism rejects the notion of the Trinity and argues instead that these cases are merely examples of the majestic plural.
I do not accept the "majestic plural" in the biblical case and here is why.
Let Us make man in our image
by Matt Slick
There are several verses in the Old Testament where God speaks as a plurality. Many trinitarians quote these verses to help support the Trinity doctrine because they strongly suggest that there is more than one person in the godhead.
•"Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth,” (Gen. 1:26, NASB).
•"Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever--," (Gen. 3:22, NASB).
•“Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech,” (Gen. 11:7, NASB).
•"Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!” (Isaiah 6:8, NASB)
Those opposed to the doctrine of the Trinity say that God is speaking of Himself in a "royal" sense--in a "plural of majesty." They can say this, but Biblically there is never any account of a king or a ruler speaking of himself in a plural sense or in the third person. So, there is no Biblical support for God using it of Himself in this way.
Regarding Gen. 1:26, those who deny the Trinity say that when God says, "Let Us make . . . ," He is speaking with the angels in mind. The problem with this is that angels do not create. There is absolutely no Biblical evidence that angels created anything at all. We see in Isaiah 44:24, "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth all alone.'" God made all things alone. Therefore, the "us" in "Let Us make man in our image" cannot be the angels. Furthermore, people are not created in the image of angels but of God.
The three verses in Genesis do not prove that the Trinity is true. However, they cannot be dismissed by the assumption that God is speaking of Himself in a type of third-person way.
Furthermore, notice in the fourth verse above, Isaiah 6:8, that God is speaking in the singular and then switches to the plural. He says, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" This on the unusual construction: the singular speaker refers to himself in the plural.
PS> Queen Victoria often used the plural "WE" but she seems to have been using this in a "collective NATIONAL" sense and not to exalt herself or position in anyway.