The problem with Moroni's challenge

[_stemelbow]

Another words feelings. I feel I am being watched. I feel I should go this way. Etc, Etc, Etc. Thoughts are described using the word feelings all the time. Also one of the big problems when trying to determine reliability or if it works for you is confirmation bias.

Man, you guys are so dogmatic about other people's perspective and experiences. That's too bad if you ask me.

[_jon]

Stem, you realise that's not a description of finding the truth through the Holy Ghost, what you describe is trial and error.

I believe you misunderstood (which was probably my fault). Please review. The trial and error comes about as a means to determine whether promptings (which I say are more than feelings) are truly via the Holy Ghost.

Stem, what you state is the same as what I said you said.
You use trial and error to see what's right, and only then do you ascribe the 'successful' promptings to the Holy Ghost. That's not how it's supposed to work. The Holy Ghost is supposed to manifest the truth of all things, instead it's trial and error that does it for you.
You must be able to see that.

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[_stemelbow]

Stem, what you state is the same as what I said you said.
You use trial and error to see what's right, and only then do you ascribe the 'successful' promptings to the Holy Ghost. That's not how it's supposed to work. The Holy Ghost is supposed to manifest the truth of all things, instead it's trial and error that does it for you.
You must be able to see that.

You didn't state the same. You mischaracterized as only trial and error, sans the Holy Ghost. I say, surely there are things that arise in the brain and feeling and promptings had by all that aren't from the Holy Ghost. It takes quite the effort sometimes to recognize whether its from the Holy Ghost or not. That is how its supposed to work, as far as I'm concerned. No one ever said tere wouldn't be confusion and misunderstanding in it all. No one ever said that all feelings are via the Holy Ghost. You seem mistaken.

[_stemelbow]

So are you saying that you don't trust it enough to make life changing decisions?

Sure I do. I'm simply saying the things you discuss weren't necessarily directed via the same type of promptings I'm talking about.

[_subgenius]

Knowing the witness of the HG ain't rocket science, but it is obvious why some here are having difficulty.

For example:
3 Nephi 11:29 and 2 Tomothy 2:24
and
D&C 6:15 and D&C 8:2

For those that would argue that a person may be "fooled by" or "misunderstanding" when the HG has witnessed to a person, i would say, plainly, that they do not understand because the simple requirements for confirmation. Is a person 100% accurate with recognizing the HG? i would say not, but there is not one here who can deny ever uttering the words, aloud or to themselves, "something told me that would happen....." - or - "I had a feeling that was it..." ; especially when their conscious mind had chosen to do otherwise.

This amateur rebuttal of "explain to me how you know it is the HG" is absurd and childish and unsupported by any rational means.

Simple example for the naysayers.....


is the above statement true or false by your reasoning?

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[_Chap]

is the above statement true or false by your reasoning?

No truth can be self-evident, unless it reduces to a mere tautology, such as "cureloms are cureloms". So it looks like the statement made was probably fallacious in terms of strict logic.

However, the Declaration of Independence is not a philosophical treatise. In 1776 that 'self-evident' bit was really good politics, and I think they did the right thing by putting it in. Do you have a problem with that?

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