Uchtdorf calls Guatemalans children of Lehi.

[_DrW]

Mormons are not UFO or 9/11 was an inside job nuts people..... We are normal, intelligent, balanced, well learned, etc.

Guess what? You know Warren P. Aston, the Mormon apologist who thinks he has found Nahom from the Book of Mormon? He is a ufologist.

http://maxwellinstitute.BYU.edu/publica ... m=2&id=255

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1175.htm

It just keeps getting better, doesn't it?

[_ldsfaqs]

So what.....?

He's an independent researcher. That's hardly inditing of all LDS scholarship.
So he's a Mormon that happens to be into UFO's. We all have our interests and hobbies.
Still doesn't change the evidence of things.

by the way.... Are you guys saying you don't believe in UFO's?

Warren Aston's interests include travel (he runs his own travel business in Brisbane), photography, music, theology, feminism and quantum-physics. Author of a 1994 anthropological and historical book based upon nine years of fieldwork in the Middle East, he has lectured at Cambridge University in the U.K., as well as the US, New Zealand and Australia. For the past three years he has conducted field research on a 1940 landing and contact case in Montana which he believes will prove to be one of the most significant ever recorded. Derails of this case will be released in 1997 along with new data he has uncovered concerning the beginnings of MJ-12, and a possible link with alien technology. Warren has been an independent UFO research for more than 20 years and is a member of MUFON and UFO Research Queensland.

Warren P. Aston is an independent researcher whose explorations in Yemen and Oman since 1984 have helped lay the foundation for a better understanding of Lehi's journey across Arabia. He is the author or coauthor of many studies, including In the Footsteps of Lehi (1994) and Lehi in Arabia: The Old World Origins of the Book of Mormon (forthcoming, 2007).

Warren P. Aston

Journal of the Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture

Across Arabia with Lehi and Sariah: "Truth Shall Spring out of the Earth"
Volume: 15 Issue: 2
Identifying Our Best Candidate for Nephi's Bountiful
Volume: 17 Issue: 1
Newly Found Altars from Nahom
Volume: 10 Issue: 2
The Arabian Bountiful Discovered? Evidence for Nephi's Bountiful
Volume: 7 Issue: 1

FARMS Review of Books

Discovering Lehi: New Evidence of Lehi and Nephi in Arabia (Volume 9 Issue 1)
A review of "Discovering Lehi: New Evidence of Lehi and Nephi in Arabia" Written by Lynn M. and Hope A. Hilton

Insights

Scripture Update: El Niño and Lehi's Voyage Revisited
The Rings That Bound the Gold Plates Together

Foreign Language

Capitolo 13: IL CAMMINO DI LEHI E LA RIVISTA DI NAHOM

Book Chapters

Reexploring the Book of Mormon:
Lehi's Trail and Nahom Revisited

[_Buffalo]

So what.....?

He's an independent researcher. That's hardly inditing of all LDS scholarship.
So he's a Mormon that happens to be into UFO's. We all have our interests and hobbies.
Still doesn't change the evidence of things.

LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Vx_172TR8

[_DrW]

ldsfaqs,

Did you read this article that Buff posted?

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1175.htm

The guy is a crackpot.

Inter-dimensional UFO's?

Aliens that travel from planets that are many hundreds or thousands of light years away?

Alien bases on the Earth and the moon from which UFO's operate?

Like in his day job as a Mormon apologist, he thinks nothing of talking about his crackpot theories as if they were fact when he has no physical evidence whatsoever and no clue about possible mechanisms by which any of the phenomena he described might actually work.

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ldsfaqs,

Please explain how believing in:

- imaginary migrations of Hebrews in a flotilla of unpowered wooden submarines from the eastern hemisphere to a western hemisphere 2500 years ago,

- the catastrophic separation of the western hemisphere from the eastern hemisphere within the last 10,000 years,

- an imaginary new world civilization of a few families from the Middle East that made transoceanic migration to the new world starting about 2500 BCE to eventually number in the millions and then disappear without leaving a trace in the New World genome,

is any different from believing in imaginary alien bases on the Earth and the moon from which UFO's operate to study and help guide humankind on the Earth.

I ask this because one or more of these crackpot ideas are believed, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, by Warren P. Aston and anyone else who can honestly call themselves a faithful Mormon.

[_Morley]

I ask this because one or more of these crackpot ideas are believed, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, by Warren P. Aston and anyone else who can honestly call themselves a faithful Mormon.

faithful ≠ believing

[_tapirrider]

It is irritating when someone claims that no one knows what Lehi's DNA would look like. It would be Near Eastern.

Why don't Mormons address the studies that focus on the spread of agriculture from the Near East into Europe? Those studies use DNA markers to identify Near Eastern people. It stands to reason that similar markers should be found in the Americas if the Book of Mormon were true.

Here are some studies:

Tracing the origin and spread of agriculture in Europe
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/information ... io.0030410

Clines of nuclear DNA markers suggest a largely Neolithic ancestry of the European gene pool.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... 009053.pdf

Phylogeography of mitochondrial DNA in Western Europe.
http://www.science.marshall.edu/murraye ... 0sykes.pdf

Tracing European founder lineages in the Near Eastern mtDNA pool.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... 7p1251.pdf

The genetic legacy of Paleolithic Homo sapiens: A Y chromosome perspective.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/290/5 ... 5.full.pdf

Y genetic data support the Neolithic demic diffusion model.
http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/11008.full.pdf+html

Estimating the impact of prehistoric admixture on the genome of Europeans.
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/2 ... l.pdf+html

There is a good example with the Etruscans to compare with the Book of Mormon theory.

Mitochondrial DNA Variation of Modern Tuscans Supports the Near Eastern Origin of Etruscans
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... 80p759.pdf

"Such a genetic contribution has been extensively diluted by admixture, but it appears that there are still locations in Tuscany, such as Murlo, where traces of its arrival are easily detectable."

For the most recent publications on the peopling of America:

Native American Origins Special Section
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/(ISSN)1096-8644/homepage/native_american_origins_special_section.htm

Finally, about the idea that all of America's indigenous people are related to Book of Mormon people. This assumes that Near Eastern DNA markers have been diluted into a pool of people descended from paleo-Indians. Now seriously consider what that implies. It means that Book of Mormon people from Adam and Eve came from the cradle of civilization into America and mixed with a population of people that were not from Adam and Eve. The pre-Adamite (co-Adamite) theory is a fundamental source of racism. How did that get approved without revelation?

[_Drifting]

Read LDS scholarship for a change people, I'm not going to re-invent the wheel for you.
I don't have all this stuff in my head.

I disagree, that's exactly where you have it.

As shown by your failure to support your statements with content from the Book of Mormon.