ldsfaqs wrote:For good reason, it's full of lies and half truths.....
Why do you think anyone with a brain would be happy seeing something so vile?
Would you be happy with a book on your Living Room Table claiming your father was a Pedophile when you know very well he wasn't, that this book perverts and lies about many things of your family history?
Please.... spare us the double standard. :(
I heard all these awful things about Brodie's book. And then I read it. The notion that her book is some sort of perverted religious porn is laughable.
Did you also read the books and essays which debunk Brodies book..... No, because you aren't interested in the truth. If you were interested in the truth, you would have know the problems and lies of Brodies book or any anti-mormon book for that matter. It's all the same crap lies regurgitated over and over, nearly all fully debunked for years now.
Even non-LDS scholars were critical of her book. Your problem is that because a book "sounds" intelligent and scholarly, that means it actually is. But, her book wasn't/isn't, and it's easily seen.
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Fence Sitter wrote:This is easy to test. Just take a copy of " No Man Knows My History "to church. Lay it on a pew or table and watch reactions to it.
For good reason, it's full of lies and half truths.....
Why do you think anyone with a brain would be happy seeing something so vile?
Would you be happy with a book on your Living Room Table claiming your father was a Pedophile when you know very well he wasn't, that this book perverts and lies about many things of your family history?
Please.... spare us the double standard. :(
There is no claim that Joseph Smith was a pedophile made in No Man Knows My History. Neither does it pervert and lie about anyone's family history.
You've not read it or, I daresay, any secular scholarship on Mormonism. I won't call you a liar though, because it's plain that you're just ignorant.
(Neither has the book been "debunked." And yes, I've read those apologetic smears of it as well as knowing its historical limitations. Still, check out how often its referenced in scholarship. Even by contemporary LDS historians like Richard Bushman, whose work was made possible by hers. She's cited continually in his footnotes.)
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ldsfaqs wrote:Did you also read the books and essays which debunk Brodies book.....
Actually, I have read a lot on the subject. I even read Nibley's ludicrous little pamphlet/screed.
No, because you aren't interested in the truth. If you were interested in the truth, you would have know the problems and lies of Brodies book or any anti-mormon book for that matter. It's all the same crap lies regurgitated over and over, nearly all fully debunked for years now.
OK, I've avoided saying this, but you are either incredibly ignorant or lying. You untruthfully tell me what books I have and haven't read, and then you go on about how Brodie's book has been "debunked."
Even non-LDS scholars were critical of her book. Your problem is that because a book "sounds" intelligent and scholarly, that means it actually is. But, her book wasn't/isn't, and it's easily seen.
Just out of curiosity, which scholars, LDS and non-LDS, do you believe have done a good job debunking Brodie's book?
Blixa wrote:There is no claim that Joseph Smith was a pedophile made in No Man Knows My History. Neither does it pervert and lie about anyone's family history.
You've not read it or, I daresay, any secular scholarship on Mormonism. I won't call you a liar though, because it's plain that you're just ignorant.
First I never made the claim that Brodies book did say that..... Learn to read [personal attack deleted].
However there are plenty of lies and perversions of facts and history in the book. That is a fact given various books and essay's pointing such out.
Oh, and I have read it..... It was the second anti-mormon book I read, the first being the God Makers. I however don't remember all that's in it these days, so I can't say if it has the pedophile claim indirect or direct in it. But, since I wasn't actually saying that, just giving an example of anti-mormon [non-Celestial word deleted] that a person wouldn't want to look at, your statement is moot.
"Socialism is Rape and Capitalism is consensual sex" - Ben Shapiro
ldsfaqs wrote:First I never made the claim that Brodies book did say that..... Learn to read [personal attack deleted].
However there are plenty of lies and perversions of facts and history in the book. That is a fact given various books and essay's pointing such out.
Oh, and I have read it..... It was the second anti-mormon book I read, the first being the God Makers. I however don't remember all that's in it these days, so I can't say if it has the pedophile claim indirect or direct in it. But, since I wasn't actually saying that, just giving an example of anti-mormon [non-Celestial word deleted] that a person wouldn't want to look at, your statement is moot.
You've just violated the board rules, not to mention insulted one of the best people I know. Shame on you.
Blixa wrote:There is no claim that Joseph Smith was a pedophile made in No Man Knows My History. Neither does it pervert and lie about anyone's family history.
You've not read it or, I daresay, any secular scholarship on Mormonism. I won't call you a liar though, because it's plain that you're just ignorant.
First I never made the claim that Brodies book did say that..... Learn to read [personal attack deleted].
However there are plenty of lies and perversions of facts and history in the book. That is a fact given various books and essay's pointing such out.
Oh, and I have read it..... It was the second anti-mormon book I read, the first being the God Makers. I however don't remember all that's in it these days, so I can't say if it has the pedophile claim indirect or direct in it. But, since I wasn't actually saying that, just giving an example of anti-mormon [non-Celestial word deleted] that a person wouldn't want to look at, your statement is moot.
Oh you indeed did make such a claim. And No Man Knows My History does not talk about Joseph Smith in those terms at all.
Also check out how much Bushman relies on Brodie in Rough Stone Rolling.
I'm sorry you can't talk without insulting people. You rely on insult because you can't read or write very well, as your posts demonstrate. But you should know that such insults are not allowed in this forum. Because this post was in Celestial, I responded to you because I thought you would know better than to sling your trademark insults. I won't bother again.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
It would be easier to sit back and let LDSFaqs continue to make my point but since I am a fence sitter, I have to point out I do not consider him representative of any LDS.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."