No three degrees of Glory in 1 Cor 15

[_Mittens]

The Book of Mormon in its self is innocuous since it was written by a man who knew the doctrines of the Christian Creeds, it disagrees more with Mormon Creeds "Articles of Faith" etc. Youl'll find ONE GOD in three persons there rather than the pletheria of gods the Mormons teach.

I don't think Mormons are going to be God or gods either. You are just taking suppositions from Mormon leaders who haven't thought through things very carefully and assumed all Mormons believe they'll be God or gods. That isn't true. I believe we'll be co-inheritors with Christ in heaven. That won't make us God or Jesus, but saved and exalted beings with glory as described by Paul. All Christians should believe in that salvation through Christ as well.

The Bible very clearly teaches we our God's children only through adoption, not literal children

• Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

• Galatians 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

• Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
•
Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

• Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

[_Mittens]

The Gospel on Video, in a nutshell third man typical Mormon, last man typical Evangelic


http://youtu.be/XrLzYw6ULYw

[_Tobin]

The Bible very clearly teaches we our God's children only through adoption, not literal children

• Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

• Galatians 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

• Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
•
Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

• Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

I don't disagree. We aren't literally the spirit children of God. Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father. The scriptures are very clear on this point.

[_Albion]

Wow, I wonder what gdemetz will have to say about this. This must be new Mormon Church doctrine and flies in the face of the long held version I have always heard which talks of Jesus being our older brother, the first born of God's spirit children, in which numbers all humans are included, but the only begotten in the flesh. Is this not now taught?

[_Tobin]

Wow, I wonder what gdemetz will have to say about this. This must be new Mormon Church doctrine and flies in the face of the long held version I have always heard which talks of Jesus being our older brother, the first born of God's spirit children, in which numbers all humans are included, but the only begotten in the flesh. Is this not now taught?

It's an incorrect teaching. It is still taught and shouldn't be. Our spirits were formed by Celestial beings under the direction of God. Jesus is the only begotten of the Father and Mormons that teach otherwise greatly error.

[_SteelHead]

Tobin, when you teach contrary to the King Follet discourse, why should I believe you over Joseph Smith?

[_Tobin]

Tobin, when you teach contrary to the King Follet discourse, why should I believe you over Joseph Smith?

Because you misunderstand what Joseph Smith is saying. God the Father was a Savior like Christ is all he's talking about. And the point of the plan of salvation is to become Celestial beings. Those Celestial beings do what? Form spirit children. Where do those spirit children go? To a world like ours, where the only begotten of the Father saves them so they in turn can become Celestial beings. And the cycle repeats. The problem is Mormons and former Mormons just don't understand the plan of salvation. We are those spirit children of Celestial beings and were formed by them. The only begotten of the Father is Christ.

[_Albion]

Thanks for the clarification. I was hoping for a minute there that Mormonism had abandoned this whole crazy idea of godhood and such. Teach me to get my hopes up.

[_SteelHead]

These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.

So when Joseph Smith said god is the father of us all he didn't mean it?

[_Tobin]

These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.

So when Joseph Smith said god is the father of us all he didn't mean it?

He's our adopted Father (God calls himself Father in many places by the way in the scriptures). We were formed as spirits under his direction, and we are saved by his son, Jesus Christ. He is not the literal Father of our bodies or our spirits.