sr1030 wrote:Are you saying that the words "Nicene Creed" are not mentioned in the Bible?
No, I'm saying the Nicene Creed itself is NOT mentioned in the Bible, nor is it ever discussed in the Bible. If this were paramount to Christians, don't you think God would have mentioned it?
There are in fact, creeds in the New Testament. I get the idea you don't know what a creed is. Creed comes from the Latin word Credo, which means, "I believe". I see the same thing in the LDS articles of faith, which are not found in the Bible.
I believe in One God, is how the creed begins. Credo en unum deum. It isn't scripture, but what Christians universally believe is scriptural. Mormons came along 1800 years later and seek to change Apostolic teachings to something other, and then complain about not being accepted as Christians. You can't have it both ways.
Last edited by Guest on Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
sr1030 wrote:Yes, my previous post to you on the subject.
sr
You'll have to forgive me, but I'm participating in several threads right now that all have about the same basic topics. Would you mind linking me to that post?
Albion wrote:Madeleine, thank you once again for demonstrating in your post that though I am not a RC, I do have a communion with RC believers in commonly held beliefs essential to salvation. If the church I attend were to close down, I could select numerous other churches to attend where I would find spiritual communion with other believers. If my church were to close down and the only other church in town was the Mormon ward house, I could have no communion there.,
:) I had a friend in our parish, who has since moved to work on his doctorate in theology. We had a short discussion one day about Christian churches, as a whole, and what are the compelling arguments to be Catholic or Orthodox, instead of one of the reformation churches like Lutheran or Anglican. It was a very, very short list of arguments, especially if you consider "high" Lutheran and Anglican churches, which are very Catholic.
One Lord, one faith, one baptism (Eph. 4:5) is central to a Christian understanding of Church.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
madeleine wrote:There are in fact, creeds in the New Testament. I get the idea you don't know what a creed is. Creed comes from the Latin word Credo, which means, "I believe". I see the same thing in the LDS articles of faith, which are not found in the Bible.
I believe in One God, is how the creed begins. Credo en unum deum. It isn't scripture, but what Christians universally believe is scriptural. Mormons came along 1800 years later and seek to change Apostolic teachings to something other, and then complain about not being accepted as Christians. You can't have it both ways.
Many Mormons aren't asking to have it "both ways". It so happens that Most Mormons disagree with the Nicene Creed and state it is not Biblically based, despite the assertion by other Christian sects that it is. And you are welcome to disagree, but so what? Mormons are not part of your sect nor are they asking to be members. All many Mormons are asking for is that Christians recognize they accept Jesus Christ and believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and that they have every right to call themselves Christians. If you supposed Christians can't do that, then shame on you and your visceral reaction and rejection to others that profess and accept Jesus Christ means that you don't embrace Christian principles yourselves.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
madeleine wrote:There are in fact, creeds in the New Testament. I get the idea you don't know what a creed is. Creed comes from the Latin word Credo, which means, "I believe". I see the same thing in the LDS articles of faith, which are not found in the Bible.
I believe in One God, is how the creed begins. Credo en unum deum. It isn't scripture, but what Christians universally believe is scriptural. Mormons came along 1800 years later and seek to change Apostolic teachings to something other, and then complain about not being accepted as Christians. You can't have it both ways.
Many Mormons aren't asking to have it "both ways". It so happens that Most Mormons disagree with the Nicene Creed and state it is not Biblically based, despite the assertion by other Christian sects that it is. And you are welcome to disagree, but so what? Mormons are not part of your sect nor are they asking to be members. All many Mormons are asking for is that Christians recognize they accept Jesus Christ and believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and that they have every right to call themselves Christians. If you supposed Christians can't do that, then shame on you and your visceral reaction and rejection to others that profess and accept Jesus Christ means that you don't embrace Christian principles yourselves.
Christianity is not a sect.
Call yourself what you like, I am not compelled to agree, neither am I "visceral". That's just the Mormon apologetics propensity to ad hominems. Which, are meaningless.
Mormons are unable or unwilling to discuss the scriptural basis for the creeds, so, I don't know why you bother posting at all other than to complain.
I once had a LDS member tell me that anyone who had a favorable view of Jesus was a Christian. When I asked, including atheists who view Jesus as a nice guy with good ideas, she said YES. Mormons have diluted what it means to be a Christian to a point where it has no meaning at all, which suits your purpose but has nothing to do with truth.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
Call yourself what you like, I am not compelled to agree.
You are pretty arrogant. You DO NOT speak for Christianity nor for God either. In fact, you belong to a sect of Christianity called the RCC - despite your delusions otherwise.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Call yourself what you like, I am not compelled to agree.
You are pretty arrogant. You DO NOT speak for Christianity nor for God either. In fact, you belong to a sect of Christianity called the RCC - despite your delusions otherwise.
As you attempt to make yourself a spokesperson.
The spokesperson for Christianity is Christ. You've been given an example of a teaching if Christ's that Mormonism rejects. So, there you go. Pretend all you like.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
madeleine wrote: The spokesperson for Christianity is Christ.
It would take weeks of immersive briefing to bring Jesus up to speed on all the developments in traditional Christianity, let alone Mormonism. Maybe then he would either serve as a spokesperson or a revolutionary.
As you attempt to make yourself a spokesperson.