Maksutov wrote: I still live in my hometown, Nip. And I always have treated my mother and my family with respect. Jesus didn't care about "honor thy father and mother"....one of the commandments, as I recall?....unless he found out about his real dad, Pantera, and that accounted for his bitterness.
You do not know how Jesus treated His adoptive Father and Mary His mother. We know that His earthly ministry began when He was at least 30. We also know that at age 12, Jesus was already aware that His heavenly Father had plans for Him while His earthly parents thought they lost Him and discovered Him in the Temple ---- after 3 day! We will get to that event eventually.
I'm sorry that you are so bitter concerning God. It would seem to me that you would at least consider that there are some people here who love the Lord, and want you to have a fulfilled life and an wonderful eternity. Not everyone who cries Lord, Lord, is resting on Christ for their Salvation. Some think salvation by works is what life is all about. Some think life is nothing but a big cosmic happenstance and therefore has no meaning, rhyme, nor reason ----- other than it just is.
I don't believe this. And I certainly see nothing of any value arising from such a philosophical view of life.
I learn about Jesus' disrespect of his family from your own posting of the Bible above. Do you read what you post?
I'm not bitter about God. I'm critical of human credulity and wilful ignorance.
Maksutov wrote:How very interesting. Those who knew him best believed him least. Of course, he disrespected and dismissed them earlier, probably because they dared question him. But they apparently knew enough to be a threat to his mission.
I still live in my hometown, Nip. And I always have treated my mother and my family with respect. Jesus didn't care about "honor thy father and mother"....one of the commandments, as I recall?....unless he found out about his real dad, Pantera, and that accounted for his bitterness.
What I see is that Jesus was and adult who was proceeding upon a path which frightened his mother. Mothers naturally are concerned and may try to influence a child even when that child is an adult and has made a decision to pursue a path the parent doubts the safety of.
That is a sort of family tension that happens to lots of people with out they being accused of disowning and disrespecting the concerned mother. Whether or not the mother thought Jesus was meant for some outstanding thing she could easily be concerned about the strategy he had adopted.
Neighbors may well have considered Jesus as a person with no social standing to be a leader or teacher of import. I find that easy to believe.
huckelberry wrote: Whether or not the mother thought Jesus was meant for some outstanding thing she could easily be concerned about the strategy he had adopted.
Especially if she was aware that he was not special as he imagined himself to be.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
huckelberry wrote: Whether or not the mother thought Jesus was meant for some outstanding thing she could easily be concerned about the strategy he had adopted.
Especially if she was aware that he was not special as he imagined himself to be.
"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
Here we see Jesus redefining his cult as his family. I think that he was embarrassed or alienated from his family. It may have had to do with issues with his mother and claims of his paternity or it might have included other things.
I think he began as a follower of John the Baptist and his group attracted too much negative attention for both the Romans and the Jews to find acceptable so they got rid of him. Ha!
Maksutov wrote:I still live in my hometown, Nip. And I always have treated my mother and my family with respect. Jesus didn't care about "honor thy father and mother"....one of the commandments, as I recall?....unless he found out about his real dad, Pantera, and that accounted for his bitterness.
I always treated my parents with respect. That doesn't mean we always agreed.
huckelberry wrote: Whether or not the mother thought Jesus was meant for some outstanding thing she could easily be concerned about the strategy he had adopted.
Especially if she was aware that he was not special as he imagined himself to be.
I see you know nothing of the marriage feast at Cana.
LittleNipper wrote:I see you know nothing of the marriage feast at Cana.
And I see you accept 2nd hand accounts without questioning a thing.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Then Pharisees and legal experts came to Jesus from Jerusalem asking,
“Why are your disciples breaking the elders’ rules handed down to us? They don’t ritually clean their hands by washing before they eat.”
Jesus replied, “Why do you break the command of God by keeping traditions?
For God said, Honor your father and your mother, and The person who curses his father or mother will certainly be executed.
But you say, ‘If you tell your father or mother, “Everything I’m expected to contribute to help you I’m donating to God as a gift,” then you don’t have to honor your father.’
So you do away with God’s Law for the sake of your traditions.
Such hypocrites! Isaiah understood what he was revealing when he prophesied about you,
This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are no where to be found.
Their worship of me is worthless ad they teach instructions that are human rules.”
Jesus gathered the crowd close and said to them, “Listen and comprehend.
It’s not what goes into the mouth that contaminates individuals in God’s sight. It’s what comes out of the mouth that contaminates individuals.”
Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you realize that the Pharisees were offended by what you just said?”
Jesus replied, “Every weed that my heavenly Father didn’t plant will be pulled up.
Ignore the Pharisees. They are blind people who guide blind people. But when a blind person leads another blind person, they will both end up in a ditch.”
Then Peter spoke up, “Explain this riddle to us.”
Jesus said, “Don’t you understand yet?
Don’t you know that everything that goes into the mouth enters the stomach and goes out as sewage?
But what goes out of the mouth comes from the heart. And that’s what contaminates an individual in God’s sight.
From the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adultery, sexual sins, thefts, false testimonies, and insults.
Such contaminate an individual in God’s sight. But eating without washing hands doesn’t concern God.”
From there, Jesus went to the area of Tyre and Sidon.
A Canaanite woman from this area came out and shouted, “Show me mercy, Son of David. My daughter is suffering terribly from demon possession.”
But Jesus remained silent.
His disciples came and urged him, “Send her away; she keeps yelling out after us.”
Jesus replied, “I’ve been sent only to the lost sheep, the people of Israel.”
But she knelt before him and said, “Lord, please help me.”
He replied, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to dogs.”
She said, “Yes, Lord. But even the dogs consumes the crumbs that fall off their masters’ table.”
Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith. It will be just as you desire.” And right then her daughter was healed.
Jesus continued from there along the coast of the Galilee Sea. He went up a mountain and sat down.
Large crowds gathered to Him, including those who were paralyzed, blind, injured, and unable to speak, and many others. They laid them at his feet, and he healed them.
So the crowd was astounded when they saw those who had been unable to speak talking, and the paralyzed cured, and the injured walking, and the blind seeing. And they praised the God of Israel.
Now Jesus gathered His disciples and said, “I feel bad for the crowd because they have been with Me for 3 days and have nothing to eat. I don’t want to send them away hungry for fear they won’t have enough strength for a journey.”
His disciples replied, “Where are we going to get enough food way out here to satisfy such a large crowd?”
Jesus said, “How much bread do you have?”
They responded, “7 loaves and a few fish.”
He told the crowd to sit on the ground.
He took the 7 loaves of bread and the fish. Said grace. Then He broke them into pieces and gave them to the disciples, and the disciples distributed them throughout the crowds.
Everyone ate until they were full. The disciples collected 7 baskets of leftovers.
4000 men ate, plus women and children.
After sending away the crowds, Jesus entered into the boat and arrived at the region of Magadan
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That Which Defiles 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’
5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’
6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’”
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand.
11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.
14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them.
17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?
18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.
19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
The Faith of a Canaanite Woman 21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
Jesus Feeds the Four Thousand 29 Jesus left there and went along the Sea of Galilee. Then he went up on a mountainside and sat down.
30 Great crowds came to him, bringing the lame, the blind, the crippled, the mute and many others, and laid them at his feet; and he healed them.
31 The people were amazed when they saw the mute speaking, the crippled made well, the lame walking and the blind seeing. And they praised the God of Israel.
32 Jesus called his disciples to him and said, “I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way.”
33 His disciples answered, “Where could we get enough bread in this remote place to feed such a crowd?”
34 “How many loaves do you have?” Jesus asked.
“Seven,” they replied, “and a few small fish.”
35 He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. 36 Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to the people.
37 They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over.
38 The number of those who ate was four thousand men, besides women and children.
39 After Jesus had sent the crowd away, he got into the boat and went to the vicinity of Magadan.
The Pharisees and Sadducees arrived, testing Jesus, asking for Jesus to show them a heavenly sign.
He answered them, “When it is evening, you say, ‘Red sky at approach of night sailor's delight,’
and in the morning, ‘Red sky at dawn, sailor be warn.’ O you hypocrites, you can figure the look of the sky, but you cannot understand the signs of the times.
A wicked and adulterous generation seeks for comfort in feeling and signs, but no sign shall be given to it except that of the prophet Jonah.” So Jesus left them and departed.
But when His disciples reached the other shore, they had forgotten the bread.
Then Jesus said to them, “Show concern and beware of the additives of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
They reasoned among themselves, saying, “It is because we have not taken bread.”
But when Jesus perceived it, He said to them, “Such small faith you posess, why reason among yourselves, that it is because you have forgotten the bread?
Haven't you figured out and remembered the 5 loaves of the 5000 and how many baskets you collected?
Or even the 7 loaves of the 4000 and how many baskets you collected?
How can it be that you do not comprehend that I spoke to you not about bread, but that you should beware of the additives of the Pharisees and Sadducees?”
Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the additives in the bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
When Jesus came to the area of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
They said, “Some say that You are John the Baptist, others Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
Jesus said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter replied, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for mortality has not shown this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
And I tell you that you are a pebble, and on your revelation I will build My church, and the gates of Hell shall not overcome it.
I will hand you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you chain on earth shall be chained in heaven, and whatever you free on earth shall be freed in heaven.”
Then He commanded His disciples to tell no one that He was Jesus the Messiah.
From that time on, Jesus began to show His disciples that He must enter Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised on the third day.
Then Peter took Him and rebuking Him, saying, “Not in a million years, Lord! This shall not happen to You.”
But He turned and said to Peter, “Stand aside, Satan! You are trying Me, for you are caring of the things that are of God, but what is of men.”
Jesus then told His disciples, “If anyone will seek Me, let him deny himself, and pick up his burden, and follow Me.
For whoever would protect his lifestyle will lose it, and whoever gives up his lifestyle for My sake will find it.
For what will it profit a man if he gains what is material and loses his own soul? Or what shall a man pay in exchange for his soul?
Because the Son of Man shall come with His angels in the glory of His Father, and then He will repay every man according to his actions.
Really I tell you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death before they see the Son of Man transfigured.”
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The Demand for a Sign 1 The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.
2 He replied, “When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’
3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away. The Yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees
5 When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread.
6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
7 They discussed this among themselves and said, “It is because we didn’t bring any bread.”
8 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread?
9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered?
10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered?
11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
Jesus Predicts His Death 21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”
23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
6 days later Jesus took Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves.
And His appearance changed dramatically in their presence; and His face shone with heavenly glory, like the sun, and His clothing became as white as light.
And actually, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, conversing with Jesus.
Then Peter spoke and said to Jesus, “Lord, it is fantastic, good and auspicious that we are present; if You wish, I will construct three [sacred] tents here—one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
While Peter was yet speaking, there formed a brilliant cloud enveloping them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased and delighted! Listen to Him!”
When the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were terrified.
But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Get up, and have no fear.”
And when they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus alone by himself.
And as they were descending the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Do not tell anyone what you have observed here until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.”
The disciples asked Him, “Then why do the scribes say that Elijah must arrive first?”
He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
but I say to you that Elijah has arrived already, and they did not recognize him, but did to him as they desired. The Son of Man is also going to suffer at their hands.”
Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them regarding John the Baptist.
When they approached the crowd, a man came up to Jesus, kneeling before Him pleading,
“Lord, take pity on my son, for he is moonstruck and suffers terribly; for he often falls into fire and water.
And I brought him to Your disciples, but they were unable to heal him.”
And Jesus answered, “You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I remain among you? How long shall I have to put up with you? Bring him here to Me.”
Jesus rebuked the demon, and it fled from the boy and he was healed immediately.
Then the disciples approached Jesus discretely and asked, “Why could we not drive it out?”
He answered, “Because of your lack of trust and confidence in God's power; for I assure you and most solemnly say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and if it be according to God's will it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.
But this sort of demon does not leave except by prayer and fasting.”
When they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed and given over to His enemies;
and they will kill Him, and He will be raised from death on the 3rd day.” And they were deeply grieved and upset.
When they arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the half-shekel temple tax came upon Peter and said, “Does not your teacher pay the half-shekel?”
Peter answered, “Yes.” And when he arrived home, Jesus spoke to him first, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do earthly rulers collect duties or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?”
When Peter answered, “From strangers,” Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are tax exempt.
However, so that we do not offend them, go to the sea and toss in a hook, and take the first fish you catch; and when you open its mouth, you will find a shekel. Take it and give it to them for both you and Me.”
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The Transfiguration 1 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves.
2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.
9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Jesus Heals a Demon-Possessed Boy 14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him.
15 “Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water.
16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.”
17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.”
18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment.
19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”
20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
[21] and this kind doth not go forth except in prayer and fasting.' (Possible quote from Mark)
Jesus Predicts His Death a Second Time 22 When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.
23 They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.” And the disciples were filled with grief.
The Temple Tax 24 After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Doesn’t your teacher pay the temple tax?”
25 “Yes, he does,” he replied. When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. “What do you think, Simon?” he asked. “From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own children or from others?”
26 “From others,” Peter answered. “Then the children are exempt,” Jesus said to him.
27 “But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours.”
