PrickKicker wrote:Do we ever find out the reason for taking josephs bones?
From Genesis 50: 22 And Joseph dwelt in Egypt, he, and his father's house: and Joseph lived an hundred and ten years.
23 And Joseph saw Ephraim's children of the third generation: the children also of Machir the son of Manasseh were brought up upon Joseph's knees.
24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
26 So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.
PrickKicker wrote:Do we ever find out the reason for taking josephs bones?
From Genesis 50: 22 And Joseph dwelt in Egypt, he, and his father's house: and Joseph lived an hundred and ten years.
23 And Joseph saw Ephraim's children of the third generation: the children also of Machir the son of Manasseh were brought up upon Joseph's knees.
24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
26 So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.
Why? Sorry teacher, I'm one of those people who likes to speed things up a bit. And how come Moses talked with GOD face to face, But yet felt unworthy to enter the promised land?
PrickKicker: I used to be a Narrow minded, short sighted, Lying, Racist, Homophobic, Pious, Moron. But they were all behavioral traits that I had learnt through Mormonism.
That was God's decision to not allow him to enter the promised land. However, he was translated, which did not please Satan and led to the dispute over his body which is mentioned in Jude.
gdemetz wrote:That was God's decision to not allow him to enter the promised land. However, he was translated, which did not please Satan and led to the dispute over his body which is mentioned in Jude.
If he was translated, then how could there be any dispute over his body, since it wasn't available for the taking?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
gdemetz wrote:That was God's decision to not allow him to enter the promised land. However, he was translated, which did not please Satan and led to the dispute over his body which is mentioned in Jude.
If he was translated, then how could there be any dispute over his body, since it wasn't available for the taking?
Only 2 men were ever taken up alive according to the Bible. Enoch (son of Jared) was the first (Heb.,dedicate) and Elijah, [Heb.,=Yahweh is God] was the second.
Exodus 14:1-31 The Lord gives these instructions to Moses: He is to order the Israelites to turn back and camp by Pi-hahiroth between Migdol and the sea. Camp there along the shore, across from Baal-zephon. Pharaoh will think, that the Israelites are confused and are trapped in the wilderness! The Lord is hardening Pharaoh’s heart, and he will chase after the Hebrews. God has planned this in order to display His glory through Pharaoh and the whole Egyptian army. The Egyptians will know that God is the Lord! The Israelites camped there as they are told. When word reaches the king of Egypt that the Israelites had fled, Pharaoh and his officials change their minds. They feel foolish for allowing the Israelite slaves to leave. Pharaoh harnesses his chariot and calls up his troops. He takes with him 600 of Egypt’s best chariots, along with the rest of the chariots of Egypt, each including its commander. The Lord hardens the heart of Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, that he chases after the people of Israel, who he feels had left with waving hands in mockery. The Egyptians chase after them with all the forces in Pharaoh’s army—all his horses and chariots, his charioteers, and his troops. The Egyptians catch up with the people of Israel as they are camping beside the shore near Pi-hahiroth, across from Baal-zephon. When Pharaoh approaches, the people of Israel look up and panic as they see the Egyptians coming. They cry out to the Lord, and ask Moses, Why did he bring them out to die in the wilderness? Weren’t there enough graves in Egypt? Why did they leave Egypt? Was not all this considered while still in Egypt? The Hebrews wish they'd been left alone! They rather remain slaves to the Egyptians. It’s better to be a slave in Egypt than a corpse in the wilderness! Moses tells the people, not to worry. Just stand still and watch the Lord rescue the Hebrews this day. The Egyptians seen today will never be seen again. The Lord himself is fighting for the Hebrews. Moses tells the Hebrews to calm down. Then the Lord asks Moses, why is he crying out to God? The Lord says that the people need to get moving! God commands Moses to pick up his staff and raise his hand over the sea. Divide the water so the Israelites can walk through the middle of the sea on dry ground. God is going to harden the hearts of the Egyptians, so that they will charge in after the Israelites. God's great glory is to be displayed through Pharaoh and his troops, his chariots, and his charioteers. When God's glory is displayed through them, all Egypt will see His glory and know that God is the Lord of everything! Then the angel of God, who had been leading the people of Israel, moves to the rear of the camp. The pillar of cloud also moved from the front and stood behind them. This cloud settles between the Egyptian and Israelite camps. As darkness fell, the cloud turned to fire, lighting up the night. But the Egyptians and Israelites did not approach each other all night. Moses raises his hand over the sea, and the Lord opened up a path through the water with a strong east wind. The wind blew all that night, turning the seabed into dry land. So the people of Israel walked through the middle of the sea on dry ground, with walls of water on each side! Then the Egyptians—all of Pharaoh’s horses, chariots, and charioteers—chased them into the middle of the sea. Just before dawn the Lord looked down on the Egyptian army from the pillar of fire and cloud, and he throws their forces into total chaos, twisting their chariot wheels, making their chariots difficult to drive. The Egyptians try to get away from the Israelites. They realize the Lord is fighting for them against Egypt! When all the Israelites had reached the other side, the Lord tells Moses to raise his hand over the sea again. Then the waters rush back and cover the Egyptians and their chariots and charioteers, as the sun began to rise, the water rushed back into its usual place. Of all the Egyptians who had chased the Israelites into the sea, not a single one survived. This is how the Lord rescued Israel from the hand of the Egyptians that day. And the Israelites saw the bodies of the Egyptians washing up on the seashore. When the people of Israel saw the mighty power that the Lord had unleashed against the Egyptians, they were filled with awe before the Lord. They trusted the Lord and His servant Moses.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,
2 `Speak unto the sons of Israel, and they turn back and encamp before Pi-Hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, before Baal-Zephon; over-against it ye do encamp by the sea,
3 and Pharaoh hath said of the sons of Israel, They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut upon them;
4 and I have strengthened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hath pursued after them, and I am honoured on Pharaoh, and on all his force, and the Egyptians have known that I [am] Jehovah;' and they do so.
5 And it is declared to the king of Egypt that the people hath fled, and the heart of Pharaoh and of his servants is turned against the people, and they say, `What [is] this we have done? that we have sent Israel away from our service.'
6 And he harnesseth his chariot, and his people he hath taken with him,
7 and he taketh six hundred chosen chariots, even all the chariots of Egypt, and captains over them all;
8 and Jehovah strengtheneth the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursueth after the sons of Israel, and the sons of Israel are going out with a high hand,
9 and the Egyptians pursue after them, and all the chariot horses of Pharaoh, and his horsemen, and his force, overtake them, encamping by the sea, by Pi-Hahiroth, before Baal-Zephon.
10 And Pharaoh hath drawn near, and the sons of Israel lift up their eyes, and lo, the Egyptians are journeying after them, and they fear exceedingly, and the sons of Israel cry unto Jehovah.
11 And they say unto Moses, `Because there are no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in a wilderness? what is this thou hast done to us -- to bring us out from Egypt?
12 Is not this the word which we spake unto thee in Egypt, saying, Cease from us, and we serve the Egyptians; for better for us to serve the Egyptians than to die in a wilderness?'
13 And Moses saith unto the people, `Fear not, station yourselves, and see the salvation of Jehovah, which He doth for you to-day; for, as ye have seen the Egyptians to-day, ye add no more to see them -- to the age;
14 Jehovah doth fight for you, and ye keep silent.'
15 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `What? thou criest unto Me -- speak unto the sons of Israel, and they journey;
16 and thou, lift up thy rod, and stretch out thy hand towards the sea, and cleave it, and the sons of Israel go into the midst of the sea on dry land.
17 `And I -- lo, I am strengthening the heart of the Egyptians, and they go in after them, and I am honoured on Pharaoh, and on all his force, on his chariots, and on his horsemen;
18 and the Egyptians have known that I [am] Jehovah, in My being honoured on Pharaoh, on his chariots, and on his horsemen.'
19 And the messenger of God, who is going before the camp of Israel, journeyeth and goeth at their rear; and the pillar of the cloud journeyeth from their front, and standeth at their rear,
20 and cometh in between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel, and the cloud and the darkness are, and he enlighteneth the night, and the one hath not drawn near unto the other all the night.
21 And Moses stretcheth out his hand towards the sea, and Jehovah causeth the sea to go on by a strong east wind all the night, and maketh the sea become dry ground, and the waters are cleaved,
22 and the sons of Israel go into the midst of the sea, on dry land, and the waters [are] to them a wall, on their right and on their left.
23 And the Egyptians pursue, and go in after them (all the horses of Pharaoh, his chariots, and his horsemen) unto the midst of the sea,
24 and it cometh to pass, in the morning watch, that Jehovah looketh unto the camp of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubleth the camp of the Egyptians,
25 and turneth aside the wheels of their chariots, and they lead them with difficulty, and the Egyptians say, `Let us flee from the face of Israel, for Jehovah is fighting for them against the Egyptians.'
26 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `Stretch out thy hand toward the sea, and the waters turn back on the Egyptians, on their chariots, and on their horsemen.'
27 And Moses stretcheth out his hand towards the sea, and the sea turneth back, at the turning of the morning, to its perennial flow, and the Egyptians are fleeing at its coming, and Jehovah shaketh off the Egyptians in the midst of the sea,
28 and the waters turn back, and cover the chariots and the horsemen, even all the force of Pharaoh, who are coming in after them into the sea -- there hath not been left of them even one.
29 And the sons of Israel have gone on dry land in the midst of the sea, and the waters [are] to them a wall, on their right and on their left;
30 and Jehovah saveth Israel in that day out of the hand of the Egyptians, and Israel seeth the Egyptians dead on the sea-shore,
31 and Israel seeth the great hand with which Jehovah hath wrought against the Egyptians, and the people fear Jehovah, and remain stedfast in Jehovah, and in Moses His servant.
LittleNipper wrote:21 And Moses stretcheth out his hand towards the sea, and Jehovah causeth the sea to go on by a strong east wind all the night, and maketh the sea become dry ground, and the waters are cleaved
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
LittleNipper wrote:21 And Moses stretcheth out his hand towards the sea, and Jehovah causeth the sea to go on by a strong east wind all the night, and maketh the sea become dry ground, and the waters are cleaved
LittleNipper wrote:21 And Moses stretcheth out his hand towards the sea, and Jehovah causeth the sea to go on by a strong east wind all the night, and maketh the sea become dry ground, and the waters are cleaved
LittleNipper wrote:Only when swiming in the Red Sea, and never on Saturday.
You are a real scripturist.
But swimming should write with two "m". (No grace!)
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
4 and I have strengthened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hath pursued after them, and I am honoured on Pharaoh, and on all his force, and the Egyptians have known that I [am] Jehovah;' and they do so.
8 and Jehovah strengtheneth the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursueth after the sons of Israel, and the sons of Israel are going out with a high hand,
4/5th time now? Young's tran-terpretors are rubbish!
PrickKicker: I used to be a Narrow minded, short sighted, Lying, Racist, Homophobic, Pious, Moron. But they were all behavioral traits that I had learnt through Mormonism.
(No grace!)
