Glass & Steel in the Book of Mormon, why a problem?

[_ludwigm]

"during the ice age" ???

The scriptures used by creationists don't mention ice age.
And ice age hasn't been testified of by Jesus Christ Himself.

So, ice age didn't exist.

We guys are not reading gdemetz's posts very well.

[_gdemetz]

I'm glad you mentioned the "ice age." The article I quoted made the point that an ice age could not account for those fossil deposits either. The Bible does not mention Jupiter either, but that doesn't mean Jupiter does not exist! Your logic is very faulty for an educated man! Do you suppose that the Bible would mention everything that happened or would exist, and if it didn't mention it then it would not be real?!?

[_gdemetz]

They teach that in Hungary?!?

[_ludwigm]

Your logic is very faulty for an educated man!

Sorry, I was educated in this world. It is my fault only.

Do you suppose that the Bible would mention everything that happened or would exist, and if it didn't mention it then it would not be real?!?

And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

4. Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
5. And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
6. As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:
7. And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.

[_gdemetz]

That's OK, God loves you! It's not too late to learn about Him.

[_ludwigm]

They teach that in Hungary?!?

No, not really.
You know, I learned literature. Writers, poets, aesthetes and that stuff.
Then - as the leaves were wafted along by the breeze - I learned on my own.

Lem, Stanislaw (1921– ), Polish writer and philosopher, physician by education, author of several popular science‐fiction novels and short stories. He lived in West Berlin in 1980–3 and in Austria in 1983–8. His early novels, such as The Astronauts (1951) and The Magellan Cloud (1953–5), are utopian fairy tales, depicting interplanetary communist paradise. Lem's best‐known works, Eden (1959) and Solaris (1961), also adapted for film by Andrei Tarkovsky, are more like contemporary existential novels, reflecting on the essence of human civilization, possible contacts with other worlds, and the problems and dilemmas of mutual understanding. These ‘serious’ novels are deeply psychological and display the writer's extreme erudition and keen insight into human nature.

By contrast, quite a number of his novels and stories, for instance, Robot Fairy Tales (1964) or Cyberiade (1965), are full of humour and the grotesque.

Grotesque fits to theology.

[_ludwigm]

That's OK, God loves you! It's not too late to learn about Him.

Which of them?

Resheph
Baal
Anath
Astarte
Ashtoreth
Hadad
El
Addu
Nergal
Shalem
Nebo
Dagon
Ninib
Sharrab
Melek
Yau
Ahijah
Amon-Re
Isis
Osiris
Ptah
Sebek
Anubis
Molech
?

Bile
Gwydion
Ler
Manawyddan
Arianrod
Nuada Argetlam
Morrigu
Tadg
Govannon
Goibniu
Gundfled
Odin
Sokk-mimi
Llaw Gyffes
Memctona
Lieu
Dagda
Ogma
Kerridwen
Mider
Pwyll
Rigantona
Ogyrvan
Marzin
Dea Denver International Airport
Mars
Ceres
Jupiter
Vaticanus
Cunina
Edulia
Potina
Adeona
Statilinus
Iuno Lucina
Diana of Rhesus
Saturn
Robigus
Furrina
Pluto
Vediovis
Ops
Consus
Meditrina
Cronos
Vesta
Enki
Tilmun
Engurra
Zer-panitu
Belus
Merodach
Dimmer
U-ki
Mu-ul-lil
Dauke
Ubargisi
Gasan-abzu
Ubilulu
Elum
Gasan-lil
U-TinHlir ki
U-dimmer-an-kia
Marduk
Enurestu
Nin-HMa
U-sab-sib
Kin
U-Mersi
Persophone
Tammuz
Istar
Venus
Lagas
Bau
U-urugal
Hulu-hursang
Sirtumu
Anu
Ea
Beltis
Nirig
Nusku
Ncbo
Ni-zu
Samas
Sahi
Ma-banba-aima
Aa
En-Mersi
Allatu
Amurm
Sin
Assur
Abil-Addu
Aku
Apsu
Beltu
Dagan
Dumu-zi-abzu
Elali
Kuski-banda
Isum
Kaawanu
Mami
Nin-azu
Nin-mah
Lugal-Amarada
Zaraqu
Qarradu
Ura-gala
Suqamunu
Zagaga
Ueras
?

[_Themis]

I think you guys are not reading my posts very well. I was told to name one piece of evidence again when I already mentioned whale bones found inland way above sea level, and gave a reference.

I am failing to see how whale fossils here are evidence of a global flood. They have found whale fossils that are millions of years old in these areas causing them to rethink that some parts were at sea level.

In addition to this, I could give much more evidence, but I fear that I would just be wasting my time. For, as FranTalk so well stated it; scholars come in all flavors, and I may add that historians, archeologists, and scientists come in all flavors also. However, a very obvious and overwhelming bias is shown here!

Franktalk has already said he will believe what he wants and does not care about any physical evidence, so I think you are incorrect in saying those who want evidence are the biased ones.

You seem so sure that some obscure pharaoh may have existed at the exact time when the great flood occurred, with dubious evidence which many historians have questioned

LOL who really is biased. You can learn more about it if you wish, but don't stop there. You can learn about many civilizations that existed just fine before and after any supposed global flood. How does 8 people repopulate the world so fast. It is impossible.

but, on the other hand, despite all the amount of much more recent historical evidence of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, you state that He may never have existed?!? Now, who does not want to be confused by the facts?!?

May never have existed is different then saying he did not exists. I do recognize there is some evidence. That does not mean he said what is recorded on the New Testament. In fact it would be very unlikely considering none of it was written down anywhere near his time.

[_Themis]

Yea, I know the word geology! Do you know the word theology?! Themis, you are only quoting a very small part of that article! The main point of that article was that the so called "geological" excuses, such as the one you mentioned, were not satisfactory explanations for all the marine fossils which have been discovered so far inland and at heights where rivers, etc., could not bring them!

That was drifting. These fossils have been dated to millions of years ago. I suggest you start learning from the scientists themselves as well. It's not that they have figured everything out, but I have yet to see you show any evdience. Again perhaps you can explain how these whale fossils are evidence of a global flood. Keep in mind that fossils found at high ground does not mean the high ground was always that high. The rocky mountains used to be a shallow sea and are a gold mine in fossils. Also Carbon 14 dating is not accurate for fossils since they would not contain enough organic material and are to old. Other dating methods are used like radiometric.

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Urban Dictionary: crash and burn
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Phrase meaning to have a spectacular failure.