Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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Drifting wrote:What did Noah do to collect all the other living things that God destroyed in the flood?

Living things are classified into 5 kingdoms - animalia, plantae, fungi, protista, and monera.


Noah must have had some fungi to pass the time (when he wasn't spending ever waking moment watering, feeding, and cleaning up after his 700+ pets.)
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LittleNipper wrote:The Grand Canyon is hardly what anyone would call hidden. There are vulcanic plateau plugs stripped of their surrounding mountains that testify to quick erosion and not millions of years of rain, etc., or such plugs would be seriously eroded away too ------- which is obviously not the case.


You are either an amateur, who doesn't know diddly squat about geology or a troll, who doesn't know diddly squat about geology. Either way you need to look up the various hardness and density properties of rocks. Start with the material you mentioned, volcanic plugs. Then you need to understand how erosion works on different materials (that varies from material being eroded and what the forces of erosion are). When features stand out or remain standing, following an erosion event or events, it is not because they are the hardest materials that exist, merely harder than the materials that surrounded it (them). This difference is significant. Make sure you know the qualifiers.

The Grand Canyon does not offer any proof of a world flood, by the way. The Grand Canyon is an excellent example of how erosive forces work over time. If you want proof of this, merely turn a giant hose on at the top of the Grand Canyon beside the current water channel. Set the pressure to ten times the current water force of the present water flow of the Colorado River and start cutting a channel through the rock. Hell, set the pressure level to a hundred times the present water flow. Then get back to me when you have cut down to the current water bed.

I'll wait. I plan on living as long as Noah. About 950 years. After that, you're on your own.
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Bond James Bond wrote:Noah must have had some fungi to pass the time (when he wasn't spending ever waking moment watering, feeding, and cleaning up after his 700+ pets.)


700+?

I would think it would much much higher then that.
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subgenius wrote:
just me wrote:I also need to know the author.

considering that you are the one that provided the reference and made the claim...i suppose that is your burden to provide.


Even any high school science book would more then suffice for this CFR.
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Themis wrote:
Bond James Bond wrote:Noah must have had some fungi to pass the time (when he wasn't spending ever waking moment watering, feeding, and cleaning up after his 700+ pets.)


700+?

I would think it would much much higher then that.


Only a tad more...

Scientists who study animal life are called zoologosts. They have recorded 20,000 species of fish, 6,000 species of reptiles, 9,000 birds, 1,000 amphibians, and 15,000 species of mammals. And, although there are a million named species of insects, scientists estimate that there could be another million waiting to be discovered and named!
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Themis wrote:
Bond James Bond wrote:Noah must have had some fungi to pass the time (when he wasn't spending ever waking moment watering, feeding, and cleaning up after his 700+ pets.)


700+?

I would think it would much much higher then that.


I was using LittleNipper's brand of logic where elephants and monkeys would have helped Noah et al. with the care of the animals. I was nice and said that with ten more monkeys and four elephants (22 total laborers along with 8 Noahites) to care for 16,000 animals based on one of LittleNipper's creationist link. So around 700ish animals per person. I crunched the math for LittleNipper a few pages back go check it out.
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Bond James Bond wrote:
I was using LittleNipper's brand of logic where elephants and monkeys would have helped Noah et al. with the care of the animals. I was nice and said that with ten more monkeys and four elephants (22 total laborers along with 8 Noahites) to care for 16,000 animals based on one of LittleNipper's creationist link. So around 700ish animals per person. I crunched the math for LittleNipper a few pages back go check it out.


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Drifting wrote:Only a tad more...

Scientists who study animal life are called zoologosts. They have recorded 20,000 species of fish, 6,000 species of reptiles, 9,000 birds, 1,000 amphibians, and 15,000 species of mammals. And, although there are a million named species of insects, scientists estimate that there could be another million waiting to be discovered and named!


I never submitted any number since I consider the Ark story nonsense. 16000 was put forth by LittleNipper via a creationist website.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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Themis wrote:
subgenius wrote:considering that you are the one that provided the reference and made the claim...i suppose that is your burden to provide.


Even any high school science book would more then suffice for this CFR.


Or any of several comments in this very thread.

"there is not enough water in the world to raise sea levels sufficiently to cover the Himalayas and once flooded, there would be no mechanism for drainage."
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just me wrote:
Or any of several comments in this very thread.

"there is not enough water in the world to raise sea levels sufficiently to cover the Himalayas and once flooded, there would be no mechanism for drainage."


There is not enough to cover the Rockies, or even lower ranges.
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