Bible verse by verse

[_spotlight]

LittleNipper, your pseudohistory is as bad as your pseudoscience.

[_LittleNipper]

(he is quoting)

The scholar also points to a famous passage in 1 Corinthians in which Paul is recorded as saying that women should be “silent” in churches and that “if they wish to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home.”

Only three chapters earlier, in the same book, Paul is urging women who pray and prophesy in church to cover their heads with veils, Ehrman says: “If they were allowed to speak in chapter 11, how could they be told not to speak in chapter 14?”

people argued over the treatment of women,

I think this is the only considered example where there word forgery is appropriate though some other examples may have some of the same coloring.(I II Timothy) The role of women is an important consideration for subsequent Christian history. The forgery here creates some questions about scripture authority. Clearly somebody after Paul added phrases significantly altering Pauls teaching.

I find it a bit silly to use the word forgery for the gospels because they were not written by individuals that people many years later guessed wrote them. They are most genuinely first century compilations of Christian tradition about Jesus. In no sense can I see them as forgeries. I see it that way even if I am decidedly less conservative than Ben Witherington.

I think Ephesians is a summary of Church understanding written by some follower of Paul. That is ok by me. It remains as valid a witness to Christian faith as some letter by some fellow named Paul.

I am not sure if Erhman chose the word forgery for attention or just because he started his studies from a very fundamentalist point of view and was deeply disappointed when that point of view fell apart.

Erhman is a self proclaimed Agnostic. I would equate him to Judas who seemed to also believe that one might a rise out of Jesus/GOD if one tries hard enough to push HIM into a corner an shine a spotlight on HIM.

[_LittleNipper]

LittleNipper, your pseudohistory is as bad as your pseudoscience.

I never believed on the Book of Mormon. That is pseudohistory and does its worst damage through promoting a belief that the Bible is somehow incomplete and or is just as inferior as the Book of Mormon. Made up places, made up people, and transposing verses from the Bible into the Book of Mormon... As for pseudoscience, I think you will find that at the University of Utah and not at any real Christian Universities.

[_Maksutov]

Erhman is a self proclaimed Agnostic. I would equate him to Judas who seemed to also believe that one might a rise out of Jesus/GOD if one tries hard enough to push HIM into a corner an shine a spotlight on HIM.

So you can't disprove Ehrman, just call him names. Pretty childish of you. I thought you were supposed to put away childish things, or is it that you're supposed to be like a child? Since your book is full of contradictions and silly sayings, you can always pull out something and wave it around without actually explaining or defending it. Except to say that it is what GOD wants or said. Even when it comes from forgeries.

Show us your Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic at work. Show us your in depth knowledge of historic Middle Eastern cultures. Show us what a Bible scholar can do. Or just keep typing GOD GOD GOD GOD like it means something.

What's with the HIM? You're being inconsistent again.

[_spotlight]

LittleNipper, your pseudohistory is as bad as your pseudoscience.

I never believed on the Book of Mormon. That is pseudohistory and does its worst damage through promoting a belief that the Bible is somehow incomplete and or is just as inferior as the Book of Mormon. Made up places, made up people, and transposing verses from the Bible into the Book of Mormon... As for pseudoscience, I think you will find that at the University of Utah and not at any real Christian Universities.

Made up places and people? You mean like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?
Transposing verses? You mean like making up fulfillment of old testament prophecies in the New Testament?

U of U or did you mean BYU? Your "real" university, the trailer where Dr. Dino attended.... err, corresponded, is a pseudouniversity along with any other institution that teaches the AiG nonsense that you spew. I attended university in California at Berkeley. After being hired at Ames Research Center I continued my education at Stanford on their tab. That's right, you paid for this.

[_Maksutov]

Made up places and people? You mean like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?
Transposing verses? You mean like making up fulfillment of old testament prophecies in the New Testament?

U of U or did you mean BYU? Your "real" university, the trailer where Dr. Dino attended.... err, corresponded, is a pseudouniversity along with any other institution that teaches the AiG nonsense that you spew. I attended university in California at Berkeley. After being hired at Ames Research Center I continued my education at Stanford on their tab. That's right, you paid for this.

Trumpeting the teachings of men as if they were scripture! Shame on you, Spotlight. Know ye not that Nipper has the advantage of being full of the Holy Spirit? Repent!

[Guest]

Trumpeting the teachings of men as if they were scripture! Shame on you, Spotlight. Know ye not that Nipper has the advantage of being full of the Holy Spirit? Repent!

At least he'd have an excuse if that were the case. he'd purchased a case at Costco and were on a binge. ETA: ,

[_Choyo Chagas]

Know ye not that Nipper has the advantage of being full of the Holy Spirit? Repent!

Mark 14:38. Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit is strong, but the flesh is weak.

"The spirit is strong, but the flesh is weak"

translated to russian:
"дух бодр, плоть же немощна"

translated back to english:
"The vodka is good, but the meat is rotten" (then again to russian : водка хорошая, но мясо протухло)

as far as they were translated correctly...

- to be serious, read http://www.snopes.com/language/misxlate/machine.asp !

[_Maksutov]

Ваше здоровье!

[_spotlight]

Thanks Choyo, looks like we posted at the same time. I have no excuse as the subjunctive is a much bigger deal in Spanish than it is in English.