LittleNipper wrote:Psalm 5:5 Boastful ones will not stand before you; you hate all those who practice wickedness. [What does that have to do with God Almighty hating book learners?]
Psalm 11:5 The LORD tests righteous people, but He hates wicked people and the ones who love violence. [What does that have to do with God Almighty hating book learners?]
Amos 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish justice in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. [What does that have to do with God Almighty hating book learners?]
If Atheists are going to stage a false impression of believers, they should at least dig up better random verses to take out of context!
No false impressions. You're pushing a book that's known to have forgeries in it. Be sure to include that in your CONTEXT.
Where's the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic? You brought it up.
Oh, and you're getting flaky with your caps again. LORD gets capitalized but not God? More theoconfusion, I see.
You believe that the Bible has known forgeries in it. It doesn't. There is more proof that the Bible doesn't contain any forgeries then there is that it may.
The head priest asked, “Are these accusations for real?”
and Stephen said:
“Brothers and fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to father Abraham in Mesopotamia before he lived in Haran
and said to him, ‘Leave your land and your family, and go into the land that I will show you.’
So he left the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. After his father died, God made him move to this land where you are living now.
He gave him no inheritance in it, not even space for one foot; yet He promised to give it to Abraham as a possession and to his descendants after him, even though at the time Abraham was childless.
What God said to him was, ‘Your descendants will be aliens in a foreign land, where they will be in slavery and oppressed for 400 years.
But I will judge the nation that enslaves them,’ God said, ‘and afterwards they will leave and worship Me in this place.’
And He gave to Abraham a covenant of circumcision, and so he begat Isaac, and did circumcise him on the 8th day, and Isaac [begat] Jacob, and Jacob -- the twelve patriarchs.
Now the Patriarchs grew jealous of Joseph and sold him into slavery in Egypt. But the Lord was with him.
He rescued him from all his troubles and gave him favor and wisdom before Pharaoh, king of Egypt, who appointed him chief administrator over Egypt and over all his household.
Now there came a famine that caused much suffering throughout Egypt and Canaan.
But when Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent our fathers there the 1st time.
The 2nd time, joseph revealed his identity to his brothers, and Joseph’s family became known to Pharaoh.
Joseph then sent for his father Jacob and all his relatives, 75 people.
And Jacob went down to Egypt; there he died, as did our other ancestors.
Their bodies were removed to Sychem and buried in the tomb Abraham had bought from the family of Hamor in Sychem for a designated amount.
As the time drew near for the fulfillment of the promise God had made to Abraham, the number of our people in Egypt increased greatly,
until there arose another king over Egypt who had no knowledge of Joseph.
With cruel cunning this man forced our fathers to put their newborn babies outside their homes, so that they would die.
It was then that Moshe was born, and he was beautiful in God’s sight. For 3 months he was reared in his father’s house;
and when he was put out of his home, Pharaoh’s daughter took him and brought him up as her own son.
So Moses was trained in all the knowledge of the Egyptians and became both a powerful speaker and a man of action.
“But when he was 40 years old, the thought came to him to visit his brothers, the people of Israel.
On seeing one of them being mistreated, he went to his defense and took revenge by striking down the Egyptian.
Moses figured his brothers would understand that God was using him to rescue them, but they didn’t get it.
When Moses appeared the following day, as they were fighting, and tried to make peace between them by saying, ‘Men, you are brothers! Why do you want to harm each other?’
the one who was mistreating his fellow pushed Moses away and said, ‘Who made you a ruler and judge over us?
Do you wish to kill me, the way you killed that Egyptian yesterday?’
On hearing this, Moses fled the country and became an exile in the land of Midian, where he had two sons.
After 40 additional years, an angel appeared to him in the desert near Mount Sinai in the flames of a burning thorn bush.
When Moshe saw this, he was amazed at the sight; and as he approached to get a better look, there proceeded the voice of the Lord,
‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’ But Moses trembled with fear and didn’t dare to look.
The Lord said to Moses, ‘Take off your sandals, because the place where you are standing is holy ground.
I have clearly seen how My people are being oppressed in Egypt, I have heard their wail, and I have come down to rescue them, and now I will send you to Egypt.’
This Moses, whom they rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and judge?’ is the very one whom God sent as both ruler and ransomer by means of the angel that appeared to him in the thorn bush.
This man led them out, performing miracles and signs in Egypt, at the Red Sea and in the wilderness for 40 years.
This is the Moses who said to the people of Israel, ‘God will raise up a prophet like me from among your brothers’
This is the one who was in the assembly in the wilderness, accompanied by the angel that had spoken to Moses at Mount Sinai and by our fathers, the man who was given living words to distribute to us.
But our fathers did not want to obey him. On the contrary, they rejected him and in their hearts turned to Egypt,
saying to Aaron, ‘Make us some gods to lead us; because this man Moses, who led us out of Egypt — we have no idea where he went.’
That was when they made an idol in the shape of a calf and offered a sacrifice to it and held a celebration in honor of what they had made with their own hands.
So God turned away from them and gave them over to worship the stars — as has been written in the book of the prophets, ‘People of Isra’el, it was not to Me that you offered slaughtered animals and sacrifices for 40 years in the wilderness!
No, you carried the tent of Moloch and the star of your god Remphan, the idols you created so that you could worship them. Therefore, I will send you into exile beyond Babylon.
Our fathers had the Tent of Witness in the wilderness. It had been made just as God, who spoke to Moses, had requested it made, according to the design Moses had observed.
Later on, our fathers who had received it brought it in with Joshua when they took the Land away from the nations that God driven away before them.
So it was until the days of David.
He enjoyed God’s favor and asked if he might provide a dwelling place for the God of Jacob
and Solomon did fabricate for Him a house.
But the Most High does not live in places built by hand! As the prophet says,
‘Heaven is my throne,’ says The Lord, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house could you build for me? What kind of place could you design for my rest?
Didn’t I alone create all these things?’
“Stiffnecked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You continually oppose the Holy Spirit! You engage in the very same things your fathers did!
Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who told in advance about the coming of the Righteous One, and now you have become His betrayers and murderers!
You, the very ones who receive the Law as having been delivered by angels — but do not keep it!”
On hearing these things, they were cut to their hearts and gnashed their teeth at him.
But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw God’s brilliance, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
“Look!” Stephen exclaimed, “I see heaven opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
At this, they began yelling at the top of their lungs, so that they wouldn't hear Stephen; and together, they rushed at him,
Tossed him outside the city and began stoning him. And the witnesses laid down their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.
As they were stoning him, Stephen called out to God, “Lord Jesus! Take hold of my spirit!”
Then he knelt and shouted out, “Lord! Don’t hold this sin against them!” With that, he died;
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And the chief priest said, `Are then these things so?'
2 and he said, `Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken: The God of the glory did appear to our father Abraham, being in Mesopotamia, before his dwelling in Haran,
3 and He said to him, Go forth out of thy land, and out of thy kindred, and come to a land that I shall shew thee.
4 `Then having come forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, he dwelt in Haran, and from thence, after the death of his father, He did remove him to this land wherein ye now dwell,
5 and He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a footstep, and did promise to give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him -- he having no child.
6 `And God spake thus, That his seed shall be sojourning in a strange land, and they shall cause it to serve, and shall do it evil four hundred years,
7 and the nation whom they shall serve I will judge, said God; and after these things they shall come forth and shall do Me service in this place.
8 `And He gave to him a covenant of circumcision, and so he begat Isaac, and did circumcise him on the eighth day, and Isaac [begat] Jacob, and Jacob -- the twelve patriarchs;
9 and the patriarchs, having been moved with jealousy, sold Joseph to Egypt, and God was with him,
10 and did deliver him out of all his tribulations, and gave him favour and wisdom before Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he did set him -- governor over Egypt and all his house.
11 `And there came a dearth upon all the land of Egypt and Canaan, and great tribulation, and our fathers were not finding sustenance,
12 and Jacob having heard that there was corn in Egypt, sent forth our fathers a first time;
13 and at the second time was Joseph made known to his brethren, and Joseph's kindred became manifest to Pharaoh,
14 and Joseph having sent, did call for his father Jacob, and all his kindred -- with seventy and five souls --
15 and Jacob went down to Egypt, and died, himself and our fathers,
16 and they were carried over into Sychem, and were laid in the tomb that Abraham bought for a price in money from the sons of Emmor, of Sychem.
17 `And according as the time of the promise was drawing nigh, which God did swear to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt,
18 till another king rose, who had not known Joseph;
19 this one, having dealt subtilely with our kindred, did evil to our fathers, causing to expose their babes, that they might not live;
20 in which time Moses was born, and he was fair to God, and he was brought up three months in the house of his father;
21 and he having been exposed, the daughter of Pharaoh took him up, and did rear him to herself for a son;
22 and Moses was taught in all wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was powerful in words and in works.
23 `And when forty years were fulfilled to him, it came upon his heart to look after his brethren, the sons of Israel;
24 and having seen a certain one suffering injustice, he did defend, and did justice to the oppressed, having smitten the Egyptian;
25 and he was supposing his brethren to understand that God through his hand doth give salvation; and they did not understand.
26 `On the succeeding day, also, he shewed himself to them as they are striving, and urged them to peace, saying, Men, brethren are ye, wherefore do ye injustice to one another?
27 and he who is doing injustice to the neighbour, did thrust him away, saying, Who set thee a ruler and a judge over us?
28 to kill me dost thou wish, as thou didst kill yesterday the Egyptian?
29 `And Moses fled at this word, and became a sojourner in the land of Midian, where he begat two sons,
30 and forty years having been fulfilled, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sinai a messenger of the Lord, in a flame of fire of a bush,
31 and Moses having seen did wonder at the sight; and he drawing near to behold, there came a voice of the Lord unto him,
32 I [am] the God of thy fathers; the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. `And Moses having become terrified, durst not behold,
33 and the Lord said to him, Loose the sandal of thy feet, for the place in which thou hast stood is holy ground;
34 seeing I have seen the affliction of My people that [is] in Egypt, and their groaning I did hear, and came down to deliver them; and now come, I will send thee to Egypt.
35 `This Moses, whom they did refuse, saying, Who did set thee a ruler and a judge? this one God a ruler and a redeemer did send, in the hand of a messenger who appeared to him in the bush;
36 this one did bring them forth, having done wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red Sea, and in the wilderness forty years;
37 this is the Moses who did say to the sons of Israel: A prophet to you shall the Lord your God raise up out of your brethren, like to me, him shall ye hear.
38 `This is he who was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the messenger who is speaking to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers who did receive the living oracles to give to us;
39 to whom our fathers did not wish to become obedient, but did thrust away, and turned back in their hearts to Egypt,
40 saying to Aaron, Make to us gods who shall go on before us, for this Moses, who brought us forth out of the land of Egypt, we have not known what hath happened to him.
41 `And they made a calf in those days, and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands,
42 and God did turn, and did give them up to do service to the host of the heaven, according as it hath been written in the scroll of the prophets: Slain beasts and sacrifices did ye offer to Me forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?
43 and ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan -- the figures that ye made to bow before them, and I will remove your dwelling beyond Babylon.
44 `The tabernacle of the testimony was among our fathers in the wilderness, according as He did direct, who is speaking to Moses, to make it according to the figure that he had seen;
45 which also our fathers having in succession received, did bring in with Joshua, into the possession of the nations whom God did drive out from the presence of our fathers, till the days of David,
46 who found favour before God, and requested to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob;
47 and Solomon built Him an house.
48 `But the Most High in sanctuaries made with hands doth not dwell, according as the prophet saith:
49 The heaven [is] My throne, and the earth My footstool; what house will ye build to Me? saith the Lord, or what [is] the place of My rest?
50 hath not My hand made all these things?
51 `Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and in ears! ye do always the Holy Spirit resist; as your fathers -- also ye;
52 which of the prophets did not your fathers persecute? and they killed those who declared before about the coming of the Righteous One, of whom now ye betrayers and murderers have become,
53 who received the law by arrangement of messengers, and did not keep [it].'
54 And hearing these things, they were cut to the hearts, and did gnash the teeth at him;
55 and being full of the Holy Spirit, having looked stedfastly to the heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 and he said, `Lo, I see the heavens having been opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.'
57 And they, having cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and did rush with one accord upon him,
58 and having cast him forth outside of the city, they were stoning [him] -- and the witnesses did put down their garments at the feet of a young man called Saul --
59 and they were stoning Stephen, calling and saying, `Lord Jesus, receive my spirit;'
60 and having bowed the knees, he cried with a loud voice, `Lord, mayest thou not lay to them this sin;' and this having said, he fell asleep.
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Maksutov wrote: No false impressions. You're pushing a book that's known to have forgeries in it. Be sure to include that in your CONTEXT.
Where's the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic? You brought it up.
Oh, and you're getting flaky with your caps again. LORD gets capitalized but not God? More theoconfusion, I see.
You believe that the Bible has known forgeries in it. It doesn't. There is more proof that the Bible doesn't contain any forgeries then there is that it may.
Someone who's an actual expert on the Bible says there are. You aren't an expert. You're just some dude copying and pasting stuff you don't understand. You might as well be copying the Book of Mormon or the Bhagavad Gita. People are inspired by those books, too. But that doesn't change the fact that you're pushing a forgery. Sorry you've wasted so much of your life this way.
That would be a stupid thing for god to do LittleNipper. A founding population of one breeding pair is ludicrous enough without the pair having identical DNA as well. But it is a moot point since the number of ERVs in our DNA disproves the Adam & Eve story all by itself. Poor Nipper, so many facts disprove the nonsense you can't seem to live without. No wonder education is the bogeyman. That's why you must try to make a case for "practical" science, the definition of which excludes anything that is found to disprove your fantasy world. That doesn't leave very much science LittleNipper. Are you going to become a member of the Amish society?
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
LittleNipper wrote:You believe that the Bible has known forgeries in it. It doesn't. There is more proof that the Bible doesn't contain any forgeries then there is that it may.
Someone who's an actual expert on the Bible says there are. You aren't an expert. You're just some dude copying and pasting stuff you don't understand. You might as well be copying the Book of Mormon or the Bhagavad Gita. People are inspired by those books, too. But that doesn't change the fact that you're pushing a forgery. Sorry you've wasted so much of your life this way.
What makes THEM THE expert? Is it because THEY agree with YOU! There are EXPERTS who disagree entirely with YOUR expert! I'm a Christian and this is important to me. You are not a Christian ---YOU are the one wasting your time in frivolous pursuits.
That would be a stupid thing for god to do LittleNipper. A founding population of one breeding pair is ludicrous enough without the pair having identical DNA as well. But it is a moot point since the number of ERVs in our DNA disproves the Adam & Eve story all by itself. Poor Nipper, so many facts disprove the nonsense you can't seem to live without. No wonder education is the bogeyman. That's why you must try to make a case for "practical" science, the definition of which excludes anything that is found to disprove your fantasy world. That doesn't leave very much science LittleNipper. Are you going to become a member of the Amish society?
No really, their DNA code was perfect at the point of creation. After the FALL the DNA begins to become corrupted.
The head priest asked, “Are these accusations for real?”
and Stephen said:
“Brothers and fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to father Abraham in Mesopotamia before he lived in Haran
and said to him, ‘Leave your land and your family, and go into the land that I will show you.’
So he left the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. After his father died, God made him move to this land where you are living now.
He gave him no inheritance in it, not even space for one foot; yet He promised to give it to Abraham as a possession and to his descendants after him, even though at the time Abraham was childless.
What God said to him was, ‘Your descendants will be aliens in a foreign land, where they will be in slavery and oppressed for 400 years.
But I will judge the nation that enslaves them,’ God said, ‘and afterwards they will leave and worship Me in this place.’
And He gave to Abraham a covenant of circumcision, and so he begat Isaac, and did circumcise him on the 8th day, and Isaac [begat] Jacob, and Jacob -- the twelve patriarchs.
Now the Patriarchs grew jealous of Joseph and sold him into slavery in Egypt. But the Lord was with him.
He rescued him from all his troubles and gave him favor and wisdom before Pharaoh, king of Egypt, who appointed him chief administrator over Egypt and over all his household.
Now there came a famine that caused much suffering throughout Egypt and Canaan.
But when Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent our fathers there the 1st time.
The 2nd time, joseph revealed his identity to his brothers, and Joseph’s family became known to Pharaoh.
Joseph then sent for his father Jacob and all his relatives, 75 people.
And Jacob went down to Egypt; there he died, as did our other ancestors.
Their bodies were removed to Sychem and buried in the tomb Abraham had bought from the family of Hamor in Sychem for a designated amount.
As the time drew near for the fulfillment of the promise God had made to Abraham, the number of our people in Egypt increased greatly,
until there arose another king over Egypt who had no knowledge of Joseph.
With cruel cunning this man forced our fathers to put their newborn babies outside their homes, so that they would die.
It was then that Moshe was born, and he was beautiful in God’s sight. For 3 months he was reared in his father’s house;
and when he was put out of his home, Pharaoh’s daughter took him and brought him up as her own son.
So Moses was trained in all the knowledge of the Egyptians and became both a powerful speaker and a man of action.
“But when he was 40 years old, the thought came to him to visit his brothers, the people of Israel.
On seeing one of them being mistreated, he went to his defense and took revenge by striking down the Egyptian.
Moses figured his brothers would understand that God was using him to rescue them, but they didn’t get it.
When Moses appeared the following day, as they were fighting, and tried to make peace between them by saying, ‘Men, you are brothers! Why do you want to harm each other?’
the one who was mistreating his fellow pushed Moses away and said, ‘Who made you a ruler and judge over us?
Do you wish to kill me, the way you killed that Egyptian yesterday?’
On hearing this, Moses fled the country and became an exile in the land of Midian, where he had two sons.
After 40 additional years, an angel appeared to him in the desert near Mount Sinai in the flames of a burning thorn bush.
When Moshe saw this, he was amazed at the sight; and as he approached to get a better look, there proceeded the voice of the Lord,
‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’ But Moses trembled with fear and didn’t dare to look.
The Lord said to Moses, ‘Take off your sandals, because the place where you are standing is holy ground.
I have clearly seen how My people are being oppressed in Egypt, I have heard their wail, and I have come down to rescue them, and now I will send you to Egypt.’
This Moses, whom they rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and judge?’ is the very one whom God sent as both ruler and ransomer by means of the angel that appeared to him in the thorn bush.
This man led them out, performing miracles and signs in Egypt, at the Red Sea and in the wilderness for 40 years.
This is the Moses who said to the people of Israel, ‘God will raise up a prophet like me from among your brothers’
This is the one who was in the assembly in the wilderness, accompanied by the angel that had spoken to Moses at Mount Sinai and by our fathers, the man who was given living words to distribute to us.
But our fathers did not want to obey him. On the contrary, they rejected him and in their hearts turned to Egypt,
saying to Aaron, ‘Make us some gods to lead us; because this man Moses, who led us out of Egypt — we have no idea where he went.’
That was when they made an idol in the shape of a calf and offered a sacrifice to it and held a celebration in honor of what they had made with their own hands.
So God turned away from them and gave them over to worship the stars — as has been written in the book of the prophets, ‘People of Isra’el, it was not to Me that you offered slaughtered animals and sacrifices for 40 years in the wilderness!
No, you carried the tent of Moloch and the star of your god Remphan, the idols you created so that you could worship them. Therefore, I will send you into exile beyond Babylon.
Our fathers had the Tent of Witness in the wilderness. It had been made just as God, who spoke to Moses, had requested it made, according to the design Moses had observed.
Later on, our fathers who had received it brought it in with Joshua when they took the Land away from the nations that God driven away before them.
So it was until the days of David.
He enjoyed God’s favor and asked if he might provide a dwelling place for the God of Jacob
and Solomon did fabricate for Him a house.
But the Most High does not live in places built by hand! As the prophet says,
‘Heaven is my throne,’ says The Lord, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house could you build for me? What kind of place could you design for my rest?
Didn’t I alone create all these things?’
“Stiffnecked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You continually oppose the Holy Spirit! You engage in the very same things your fathers did!
Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who told in advance about the coming of the Righteous One, and now you have become His betrayers and murderers!
You, the very ones who receive the Law as having been delivered by angels — but do not keep it!”
On hearing these things, they were cut to their hearts and gnashed their teeth at him.
But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw God’s brilliance, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
“Look!” Stephen exclaimed, “I see heaven opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
At this, they began yelling at the top of their lungs, so that they wouldn't hear Stephen; and together, they rushed at him,
Tossed him outside the city and began stoning him. And the witnesses laid down their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.
As they were stoning him, Stephen called out to God, “Lord Jesus! Take hold of my spirit!”
Then he knelt and shouted out, “Lord! Don’t hold this sin against them!” With that, he died;
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And the chief priest said, `Are then these things so?'
2 and he said, `Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken: The God of the glory did appear to our father Abraham, being in Mesopotamia, before his dwelling in Haran,
3 and He said to him, Go forth out of thy land, and out of thy kindred, and come to a land that I shall shew thee.
4 `Then having come forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, he dwelt in Haran, and from thence, after the death of his father, He did remove him to this land wherein ye now dwell,
5 and He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a footstep, and did promise to give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him -- he having no child.
6 `And God spake thus, That his seed shall be sojourning in a strange land, and they shall cause it to serve, and shall do it evil four hundred years,
7 and the nation whom they shall serve I will judge, said God; and after these things they shall come forth and shall do Me service in this place.
8 `And He gave to him a covenant of circumcision, and so he begat Isaac, and did circumcise him on the eighth day, and Isaac [begat] Jacob, and Jacob -- the twelve patriarchs;
9 and the patriarchs, having been moved with jealousy, sold Joseph to Egypt, and God was with him,
10 and did deliver him out of all his tribulations, and gave him favour and wisdom before Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he did set him -- governor over Egypt and all his house.
11 `And there came a dearth upon all the land of Egypt and Canaan, and great tribulation, and our fathers were not finding sustenance,
12 and Jacob having heard that there was corn in Egypt, sent forth our fathers a first time;
13 and at the second time was Joseph made known to his brethren, and Joseph's kindred became manifest to Pharaoh,
14 and Joseph having sent, did call for his father Jacob, and all his kindred -- with seventy and five souls --
15 and Jacob went down to Egypt, and died, himself and our fathers,
16 and they were carried over into Sychem, and were laid in the tomb that Abraham bought for a price in money from the sons of Emmor, of Sychem.
17 `And according as the time of the promise was drawing nigh, which God did swear to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt,
18 till another king rose, who had not known Joseph;
19 this one, having dealt subtilely with our kindred, did evil to our fathers, causing to expose their babes, that they might not live;
20 in which time Moses was born, and he was fair to God, and he was brought up three months in the house of his father;
21 and he having been exposed, the daughter of Pharaoh took him up, and did rear him to herself for a son;
22 and Moses was taught in all wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was powerful in words and in works.
23 `And when forty years were fulfilled to him, it came upon his heart to look after his brethren, the sons of Israel;
24 and having seen a certain one suffering injustice, he did defend, and did justice to the oppressed, having smitten the Egyptian;
25 and he was supposing his brethren to understand that God through his hand doth give salvation; and they did not understand.
26 `On the succeeding day, also, he shewed himself to them as they are striving, and urged them to peace, saying, Men, brethren are ye, wherefore do ye injustice to one another?
27 and he who is doing injustice to the neighbour, did thrust him away, saying, Who set thee a ruler and a judge over us?
28 to kill me dost thou wish, as thou didst kill yesterday the Egyptian?
29 `And Moses fled at this word, and became a sojourner in the land of Midian, where he begat two sons,
30 and forty years having been fulfilled, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sinai a messenger of the Lord, in a flame of fire of a bush,
31 and Moses having seen did wonder at the sight; and he drawing near to behold, there came a voice of the Lord unto him,
32 I [am] the God of thy fathers; the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. `And Moses having become terrified, durst not behold,
33 and the Lord said to him, Loose the sandal of thy feet, for the place in which thou hast stood is holy ground;
34 seeing I have seen the affliction of My people that [is] in Egypt, and their groaning I did hear, and came down to deliver them; and now come, I will send thee to Egypt.
35 `This Moses, whom they did refuse, saying, Who did set thee a ruler and a judge? this one God a ruler and a redeemer did send, in the hand of a messenger who appeared to him in the bush;
36 this one did bring them forth, having done wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red Sea, and in the wilderness forty years;
37 this is the Moses who did say to the sons of Israel: A prophet to you shall the Lord your God raise up out of your brethren, like to me, him shall ye hear.
38 `This is he who was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the messenger who is speaking to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers who did receive the living oracles to give to us;
39 to whom our fathers did not wish to become obedient, but did thrust away, and turned back in their hearts to Egypt,
40 saying to Aaron, Make to us gods who shall go on before us, for this Moses, who brought us forth out of the land of Egypt, we have not known what hath happened to him.
41 `And they made a calf in those days, and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands,
42 and God did turn, and did give them up to do service to the host of the heaven, according as it hath been written in the scroll of the prophets: Slain beasts and sacrifices did ye offer to Me forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?
43 and ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan -- the figures that ye made to bow before them, and I will remove your dwelling beyond Babylon.
44 `The tabernacle of the testimony was among our fathers in the wilderness, according as He did direct, who is speaking to Moses, to make it according to the figure that he had seen;
45 which also our fathers having in succession received, did bring in with Joshua, into the possession of the nations whom God did drive out from the presence of our fathers, till the days of David,
46 who found favour before God, and requested to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob;
47 and Solomon built Him an house.
48 `But the Most High in sanctuaries made with hands doth not dwell, according as the prophet saith:
49 The heaven [is] My throne, and the earth My footstool; what house will ye build to Me? saith the Lord, or what [is] the place of My rest?
50 hath not My hand made all these things?
51 `Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and in ears! ye do always the Holy Spirit resist; as your fathers -- also ye;
52 which of the prophets did not your fathers persecute? and they killed those who declared before about the coming of the Righteous One, of whom now ye betrayers and murderers have become,
53 who received the law by arrangement of messengers, and did not keep [it].'
54 And hearing these things, they were cut to the hearts, and did gnash the teeth at him;
55 and being full of the Holy Spirit, having looked stedfastly to the heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 and he said, `Lo, I see the heavens having been opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.'
57 And they, having cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and did rush with one accord upon him,
58 and having cast him forth outside of the city, they were stoning [him] -- and the witnesses did put down their garments at the feet of a young man called Saul --
59 and they were stoning Stephen, calling and saying, `Lord Jesus, receive my spirit;'
60 and having bowed the knees, he cried with a loud voice, `Lord, mayest thou not lay to them this sin;' and this having said, he fell asleep.
LittleNipper wrote: No really, their DNA code was perfect at the point of creation. After the FALL the DNA begins to become corrupted.
Oh, they talk about DNA in Bible? Where? Wait, this is April Fool's, isn't it?
Oh, now it's the FALL, not just the Fall. Ooooooh, I'm getting Holy Spirity chills every time I read those caps! Look at my blessed goose bumps! Oh baby...cap me some more!
Maksutov wrote: Someone who's an actual expert on the Bible says there are. You aren't an expert. You're just some dude copying and pasting stuff you don't understand. You might as well be copying the Book of Mormon or the Bhagavad Gita. People are inspired by those books, too. But that doesn't change the fact that you're pushing a forgery. Sorry you've wasted so much of your life this way.
What makes THEM THE expert? Is it because THEY agree with YOU! There are EXPERTS who disagree entirely with YOUR expert! I'm a Christian and this is important to me. You are not a Christian ---YOU are the one wasting your time in frivolous pursuits.
Oh, now you're capping! Yay! Well, they're experts because they know the languages, they've actually read the book, they've researched and taught and published on the subject. You haven't. You've copied and pasted.
I'm not wasting my time as long as I can do what I have been doing--point out the silliness, dishonesty and moral and intellectual bankruptcy of fundamentalist Christianity. It's even worse than Mormonism. And it's a blight on the intelligent and educated and engaged Christians who don't hide from the world in creationist trailer park "schools" run by convicts.
Your book is full of forgeries. If you actually studied it and the people that have been studying it for centuries you might know that. That doesn't mean we shouldn't read it or that there's nothing good in it. It just means that it isn't what you say it is. It means that there is a diversity of opinion about it and some parts of it should be rejected. That would be true of any collection of literature thousands of years old. You've made an idol of the Bible. You literally worship it. It's a gross and unhealthy form of Protestantism, it's turning the Bible--a heavily limited and distorted form of it--into the center of a cult. Christians don't have to be cultists, but they would under your interpretations.
SO GIVE ME SOME MORE CAPS. Don't do any research or any independent thought, hit me with a CHERRY PICKED SCRIPTURE THAT YOU'LL TAKE OUT OF CONTEXT AND MISUSE. I'm used to it.
LittleNipper wrote:No really, their DNA code was perfect at the point of creation. After the FALL the DNA begins to become corrupted.
The DNA from specimens 6,000 years old and older exists and there are no signs of better DNA the further back in history we go. Sorry but your data is as imaginary as your fable here yet again. Must be sad having to invent scenarios from whole clothe to support a world view no better than that of any other primitive culture's.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
