Uchtdorf calls Guatemalans children of Lehi.

[_DrW]

I ask this because one or more of these crackpot ideas are believed, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, by Warren P. Aston and anyone else who can honestly call themselves a faithful Mormon.

faithful ≠ believing

Guess you are right. Being faithful does not necessarily mean that one is also believing.

When people must profess belief they do not have in order to be considered faithful, what does it say about the real value and validity of Mormon teachings and doctrine?

[_Themis]

- imaginary migrations of Hebrews in a flotilla of unpowered wooden submarines from the eastern hemisphere to a western hemisphere 2500 years ago,

LDS don't believe this. You might want to edit it. :)

[_DrW]

- imaginary migrations of Hebrews in a flotilla of unpowered wooden submarines from the eastern hemisphere to a western hemisphere 2500 years ago,

LDS don't believe this. You might want to edit it. :)

Themis,

Thanks for the tip. Not sure that I understand, though. What part of the above statement/description is not consistent with the Book of Ether?

Would "transoceanic migration of Jared and his family and friends, along with their livestock, in a flotilla of 8 unpowered wooden semi-submersibles from the eastern hemisphere to the western hemisphere approximately 2,500 years ago" be more acceptable?

Is the second statement any more believable than the first?

[_DrW]

Tapirrider,

Thanks for the references in your earlier post. These make a handy set of references.

Mormon apologists were forced to come up with something that the faithful could embrace as an explanation for the missing DNA, never mind that most could not understand the explanation or that it makes no sense if they could.

I see the missing DNA evidence as one of the most significant and damaging arguments against the veracity and historicity of the Book of Mormon.

[_Themis]

Themis,

Thanks for the tip. Not sure that I understand, though. What part of the above statement/description is not consistent with the Book of Ether?

Would "transoceanic migration of Jared and his family and friends, along with their livestock, in a flotilla of 8 unpowered wooden semi-submersibles from the eastern hemisphere to the western hemisphere approximately 2,500 years ago" be more acceptable?

Is the second statement any more believable than the first?

The Jaredites in the Book of Mormon story were not considered Hebrew, and they came in wooden submarines around 4200 years ago. Nephi's group came about 2500 years ago but not in a submarine type vessel. Just more accurate so that others may not get hung up on the irrelevant.

[_DrW]

Themis,

Thanks for the tip. Not sure that I understand, though. What part of the above statement/description is not consistent with the Book of Ether?

Would "transoceanic migration of Jared and his family and friends, along with their livestock, in a flotilla of 8 unpowered wooden semi-submersibles from the eastern hemisphere to the western hemisphere approximately 2,500 years ago" be more acceptable?

Is the second statement any more believable than the first?

The Jaredites in the Book of Mormon story were not considered Hebrew, and they came in wooden submarines around 4200 years ago. Nephi's group came about 2500 years ago but not in a submarine type vessel. Just more accurate so that others may not get hung up on the irrelevant.

Sorry.

You are right. I should have said 2500 BCE, which is even less believable than 2500 ya. As you point out, what is 2000 years more or less when one is dealing with such absurdities?

[_moksha]

What would Lehi DNA look like? Huh, huh? Answer me that!

It would be wearing a yarmulke and have a taste for bagels with a schmear.

[_Dr. Shades]

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[_DrW]

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LDSFAQS,

You understand of course that you violated Board Rules with regard to content in the CK forum, and that instead of banning you, the moderator simply moved any of the posts contaminated with your name-calling down to another Forum.

From your own experience, you also realize that similar behavior over at MDD would have resulted in a ban from the Board.

I hope you appreciate the much more respectful way in which you were treated by the folks here at the Trailer Park as compared to those over in the Chapel.

[_ldsfaqs]

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LDSFAQS,

You understand of course that you violated Board Rules with regard to content in the CK forum, and that instead of banning you, the moderator simply moved any of the posts contaminated with your name-calling down to another Forum.

Yes, I'm aware. However, the behavior by others occurs over all boards by non-LDS, so it's not like there is actually a difference, hence I didn't bother treating it like there was one.

From your own experience, you also realize that similar behavior over at MDD would have resulted in a ban from the Board.

Yes, however that was a good thing about the other board. Such behavior was rightly not tolerated. Of course, I didn't post like this there because I didn't have similar kinds of people to respond to. The conversation was able to be elevated because the less elevated weren't allowed to post. So, I didn't have to condemn evil there. I was instead able to focus on issues and facts, rather than having to judge "people" as much.

I hope you appreciate the much more respectful way in which you were treated by the folks here at the Trailer Park as compared to those over in the Chapel.

Yes, I do appreciate that..... However you should appreciate that simply because those who moderate here are more "fair" and tolerant doesn't somehow mean LDS aren't, nor that the allowance of degrading personal attacks etc. is a good thing, and that the disallowing of degrading personal attacks is a bad thing. It's simply those who Moderate MA&DB have gone to far. Not all LDS are like that. I for one wouldn't be..... If I ran a forum, I would ban the low class and degrading, but I wouldn't ban people for petty things, and I would also give people a fair chance to repent, and they would have to do reasonably bad things in order to get banned.

Freedom without Character isn't freedom..... There is a reason this place is called the "Trailer Park". Although personally, I think that designation most belongs to exmormon.org etc. Still, one could understand the designation.

Anyway, vulgarity tends to cause me to give it back because it's justified.
It's just like if I come upon a group of people beating up some weaker guy, I don't come up and say, "let's give peace a chance". I say stop it, and then I beat the crap out of the bully's! That's just me..... Likewise, if I wade in the gutter, I'm a gutter king, but righteous indignation and judgment, not actually gutter talk, that's unfair, low class etc. like you all give. FYI :)