Dispensations make me ponder

[_Franktalk]

I do believe in the plan of salvation. So I think that we come back to experience all that we need to. I think that as we learn we grow in spiritual strength. Then one day we are born of the spirit and we don't need to come back in the flesh again. At least not in this dispensation.

[_Franktalk]

It may be that there is some base level of matter in the universe. I suspect it may be the ZPE and everything above it can be changed in an instant into whatever God desires. So when scripture talks about foundations or some kind of structure in creation I think it refers to a higher level foundation that we can observe. Things like the amount or organization of the elements on the earth. So to me when scripture says:

Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

I have to believe that our soul knows many things that don't come to the consciousness of the flesh. Yet God speaks to our soul in scripture. I think this leads to a lot of confusion for those who wallow in the flesh. I do not have these memories just like everyone else. But I don't have a problem with God speaking to my soul in ways that seem odd to my mind in the flesh. What is clear is that God cares for our eternal soul and cares little for this temporary house of flesh.

[_SteelHead]

Frank,
In response to your statement of scripture being eye witness accounts, who wrote the pentateuch?

Who was the eye witness to the creation?

[_Franktalk]

Frank,
In response to your statement of scripture being eye witness accounts, who wrote the pentateuch?

Who was the eye witness to the creation?

Many of us were witnesses. We are the sons of God.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

You were too and if you let your mind accept what you already know as truth then it would manifest in your mind. But if you let the flesh rule over you then you will never know any great truth.

[_SteelHead]

Let me rephrase. Witness the event in order to document it as scripture.

[_Franktalk]

Let me rephrase. Witness the event in order to document it as scripture.

Like many Steelhead you are confusing knowledge in the flesh with knowledge. It does not work that way. There is knowledge that is not relative and limited. Then there is knowledge that is almost meaningless. This meaningless knowledge is the knowledge we acquire in the flesh. There are some and it appears that you may be one of them that places the knowledge of the mind in the flesh as absolute truth. And you cast aside any suggestion that there may be more truth than what you yourself experience while in the flesh. You are not alone. And while you hold fast to that idea you will never develop the faith needed to see the larger spiritual picture. I know that I know a little about what is going on and it saddens me to think that it is so easy to advance in the spiritual realm but many choose to stay here. You may see here as the best there is. I know it is not. There is nothing I can do to change your mind. That is between you and God. I can be led to write messages but how those are received is not up to me. This has been hard for me to accept over the years but it is what it is.

[_jo1952]

Franktalk:

I found this which I believe is connected to some of your thoughts on dispensations; especially with regard to your thinking our earth has participated in more than one "beginning":

Revelation 16:18 (KJV)

And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Notice how this passage teaches that such an earthquake was not upon the earth since men were upon the earth. In other words, at least one earthquake as great as this one DID take place on the earth before men were here. I cannot help but wonder if the end of our earth as we now know it, will then unfold into another beginning for the old earth we DO now know.

If we go through incarnations, why wouldn't the earth also go through incarnations?

Blessings,

jo

[_Franktalk]

There are patterns all over the place in scripture. Like the rains in Israel are a type for the outpouring of God's Spirit on the earth. Our own children are like God placing His spirit children on the earth. And many others. I think if we were to know it all I think we would be amazed how much everything is connected together.

God is very complex and we are so simple. We can make a machine which we can teach our own voice so it can perform some commands. God has made a universe so the very elements respond to His voice. We are such a small subset of the image of God. But I have hope. Over the ages to follow I hope to learn more as time keeps moving along.

[_just me]

The eyes of who?

Moses for the Exodus. Daniel for the captivity. Solomon for his regrets. David the same. The Apostles for Christ. John for his eye witness of the future. And more.

So, only some of the scriptures you treat as eye witness accounts, correct?

What books were written by Moses, Daniel, Solomon and David?

[_Franktalk]

So, only some of the scriptures you treat as eye witness accounts, correct?

What books were written by Moses, Daniel, Solomon and David?

Some books let you know how it was written. Some scholars disagree with the text. I go with what is written.