A Noah's Ark question

[_son of Ishmael]

That might be the case in the US, Europe and a few other countries, but the majority of the world's poor don't have a lot of choices. Why doesn't God listen to their prayers?

[_jo1952]

That might be the case in the US, Europe and a few other countries, but the majority of the world's poor don't have a lot of choices. Why doesn't God listen to their prayers?

What makes you think God is not listening to their prayers? Because they are still having babies who will starve? Should God take away their desire for sex? Should God come into their country and kill off the leaders who steal the food and supplies being sent by other nations to help alleviate the problems? Should God then set up leadership educational systems so that history will not repeat itself?

Whose free agency should God take away? In fact, why do you blame God for choices which mankind makes which effectively continue the situations the world's poor are born into? Why not blame the real villains and get rid of them? How would you propose this be done? If God goes in and cleans house, won't you also complain about that? It seems to me that through your eyes God is going to turn out to be the bad guy no matter what He does.

Instead of trying to blame God for everything, why don't YOU be the hero, sell off everything you own, and go over there and correct everything that is wrong with the governments of those countries. Get politically involved and put your actions where your mouth is. Do you think you might wind up taking up arms against those governments and act as judge and jury? After all, aren't you trying to do the right thing? Lock up all the evil doers and prevent them from being able to use their own free agency. Be aware that you will be doing what you don't like God doing; yet you are very willing to blame Him for whatever is not right in the world.

To those who think the flood is a myth: Nobody could have died - it was a myth!

To those whose historical date times are out of sync: According to Biblical historicity, the confounding of the languages took place AFTER the flood. Therefore, there were no chinese, no europeans, etc., everyone spoke the same language and lived on the same land mass before the the Tower of Babel was built.

To those who wish to claim that God is a mass murderer without conscience, at least use ALL of the claims made in the Bible surrounding the flood in order to reach your conclusions. In other words, don't pick and choose what you want to in order to support your conclusion, use ALL of the evidences provided when reaching your conclusion. Anything less than using All of the evidence provided is being less than honest, and serves only to give your arguments zero credibility. Since the Bible is your source, either use all of the evidence it provides; or use none of it.

To those who do not believe in God: Why would you think that God SHOULD be listening to the prayers of the poor....or anyone's prayers? If He does not exist, He most certainly cannot hear or answer prayers.

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

And just how are they supposed to learn that?

How do we learn anything? We must experience some set of conditions and then react to them. Of course as we make choices we see what those choices do to others. Why here in this flesh in this exact way I sure don't know why. I do believe it is way more complex than I imagine.

I find that now that I see the world differently it is more complex a world than when I saw everything in physical terms. The added dimension of spiritual purpose is not easy to see and maintain in view. The flesh is a very powerful distraction.

It would be so easy to fall back and let the world have me. To be tossed about and just go with the flow so to speak. But the struggle to get here does have a reward that I never experienced before getting here. I now have a presence around me that gives me comfort. And of course I do enjoy the unfolding story in scripture. There is so much more to learn.

How does the starving child in Africa reach the place you claim to have reached?

[_Drifting]

What makes you think God is not listening to their prayers? Because they are still having babies who will starve? Should God take away their desire for sex? Should God come into their country and kill off the leaders who steal the food and supplies being sent by other nations to help alleviate the problems? Should God then set up leadership educational systems so that history will not repeat itself?

Whose free agency should God take away? In fact, why do you blame God for choices which mankind makes which effectively continue the situations the world's poor are born into? Why not blame the real villains and get rid of them? How would you propose this be done? If God goes in and cleans house, won't you also complain about that? It seems to me that through your eyes God is going to turn out to be the bad guy no matter what He does.

Instead of trying to blame God for everything, why don't YOU be the hero, sell off everything you own, and go over there and correct everything that is wrong with the governments of those countries. Get politically involved and put your actions where your mouth is. Do you think you might wind up taking up arms against those governments and act as judge and jury? After all, aren't you trying to do the right thing? Lock up all the evil doers and prevent them from being able to use their own free agency. Be aware that you will be doing what you don't like God doing; yet you are very willing to blame Him for whatever is not right in the world.

To those who think the flood is a myth: Nobody could have died - it was a myth!

To those whose historical date times are out of sync: According to Biblical historicity, the confounding of the languages took place AFTER the flood. Therefore, there were no chinese, no europeans, etc., everyone spoke the same language and lived on the same land mass before the the Tower of Babel was built.

To those who wish to claim that God is a mass murderer without conscience, at least use ALL of the claims made in the Bible surrounding the flood in order to reach your conclusions. In other words, don't pick and choose what you want to in order to support your conclusion, use ALL of the evidences provided when reaching your conclusion. Anything less than using All of the evidence provided is being less than honest, and serves only to give your arguments zero credibility. Since the Bible is your source, either use all of the evidence it provides; or use none of it.

To those who do not believe in God: Why would you think that God SHOULD be listening to the prayers of the poor....or anyone's prayers? If He does not exist, He most certainly cannot hear or answer prayers.

Blessings,

jo

Jo, if you are prepared to give God the credit for good things in the world then to be even handed you have to hold Him culpable for not preventing the bad.
If God perpetrates good things He is also taking away an individuals agency in the same way that He would if He prevented something bad happening.

[_Franktalk]

That might be the case in the US, Europe and a few other countries, but the majority of the world's poor don't have a lot of choices. Why doesn't God listen to their prayers?

I reject your conclusion. If in starving the flesh suffers and reaches out for help and in doing so seeks God then good has been done. It may not appear that way to you. I care for the soul, the flesh is but clothing. If the world starved yet came to God it would be a net plus. This is a difficult thing for some to see.

Imagine you are a god for a moment and you have placed a soul on the earth to develop a communication link by spiritual means. You see that some do not attempt to develop that communication link but instead bury them self in the world. But you come to realize that when the flesh suffers the flesh of those souls stops being buried in the world and starts to seek help. Your goal and the goal of those souls sent to the world are the same. To develop the spiritual link. What would you do as a god? Ignore your plan and desire? Ignore the plan and desire of the soul? The Bible is filled with this story. Example after example is given to us so we may know what is important and what is not. Yet many do not learn this message and instead bury them self in the world. It is a hard truth. This is a truth many reject.

Imagine if you can a heaven in which the souls of all those who love their fellow spirits have gathered. They can see the earth and know that many more need to make the same journey they have. They know that part of that journey is to have suffering in the world for all those on the path to see. Imagine those loving souls lining up to take on the flesh once more to suffer and die so others may live in the spirit. Is this not what Christ told us? To follow Him. It is my belief we all must experience many things.

[_Drifting]

Imagine if you can a heaven in which the souls of all those who love their fellow spirits have gathered. They can see the earth and know that many more need to make the same journey they have. They know that part of that journey is to have suffering in the world for all those on the path to see. Imagine those loving souls lining up to take on the flesh once more to suffer and die so others may live in the spirit. Is this not what Christ told us? To follow Him. It is my belief we all must experience many things.

If children starving in Africa is part of God's plan then he needs to come up with a better plan. Frantalk, have you experienced dying by starvation yet? If not when are you planning on doing so?

[_subgenius]

If children starving in Africa is part of God's plan then he needs to come up with a better plan.

Aside from the arrogance, unfounded arrogance, of assuming you "know better" than God...perhaps His plan is to motivate you in to actually making a contribution and an effort to feed those children...instead of the paltry donation you donate online - that likely amounts to giving a salty cracker to a thirsty child. The plan - obviously- is intended to motivate yo to do more for those starving kids, but you seem content with being here...wow, talk about a better plan.

[_LittleNipper]

That might be the case in the US, Europe and a few other countries, but the majority of the world's poor don't have a lot of choices. Why doesn't God listen to their prayers?

They are not all praying to God. If I pray to a tree for help, will the tree help? If i pray to a dead ancestor for assistance, will he send any? I have heard of cases where God has helped struggling Christians. One such group was in the USSR. That country is now Russia. How do you know that that was not God's answer to prayer?

[_SteelHead]

How do you know it was?

[_PrickKicker]

Oh no not another Holy Ghost debate?