I have a question wrote: I choose to live like this life is all there is. Once you've burnt your 'next life' boats it really focus's your mind on getting the most out of your life. This life. You should try it.
LittleNipper wrote:MY, isn't that a narrow minded view!
Says the man who makes a list of life experiences that he narrow-mindedly considers constitutes a full life. Walked in the woods did you? And drove various automobiles?


One of the great enjoyments in life is the ability to reason and learn. There is enjoyment in physical activities like hiking and surfing and dance etc and there is enjoyment in the process of learning and challenging yourself mentally as well. This is the area where fundies remain mentally atrophied. Can't grasp evolution. Can't grasp physics and the sciences. Mental blocks instead. So no, you don't get a full life experience.
First, how long do you expect to live? And second, how long do you imagine you will remain mobile?
Exactly! When you imagine you are going to live forever you can just coast along without making the most of your time to live. You waste your time doing mundane things like witnessing to others, attending Sunday School, reading a ridiculous book like the Bible over and over and over again. But it's all good because you didn't miss out on walking in the snow a few times or you got a moment to refinish some furniture. To be really good at something you have to devote something like 10,000 hours to it. It's why the Beatles were such good musicians. You can't get that kind of devotion to a skill or a subject if you are wasting the amount of time a typical Christian wastes with church and religious activities.
To think that Christians don't live is to suggest that living is all about one's self.
Who else would living be about? If you don't choose for yourself what matters to you and what your life is all about then you are living someone else's life and not your own. Want a family and children? Fine, if that is who you are. Not fine if that is not you, but you do it anyhow because you imagine it's what you are supposed to do, either because it's what others do or because you think it's your religious duty.
I still have a future and an eternity to enjoy even better things. After your first stroke, heart attack, or bout with cancer ---- what will you have to look forward to..?
The same as you. Do you not see this? If there is nothing after death then you have in reality nothing to look forward to. You simply imagine that you do. If there is an existence beyond the grave then we both will experience an existence beyond the grave despite one of us not believing such exists prior to death. What your real concern is about is this fear that this "great god" is going to send us to endless torment for eternity because we didn't make a choice to believe something that frankly isn't worth serious consideration in the first place. It doesn't make any sense. It's an affront to our common sense of fairness and decency. We are greater in our love and charity than your god. That's how we know he's a fake, a fraud.