Gunnar wrote: If God really wants someone dead, he had better do the deed himself. I won't do it for him--nor would I believe it was really God's desire, unless he does it himself!
I think this is an important clue people are not believing in a real God. This is a dangerous doctrine as you have brought up. We teach that if God says to kill we should kill. This means that there will always be some nut somewhere who will think God is doing just that. I doubt God would want this and would understand a commandment to not kill should not have exceptions if she/he/they command. They are certainly more then capable if they exist. If religions would teach that God will never command one to kill for them this would help to potentially avoid a few murders.
Not really, in other words you don't care.[/quote]
You're the one failing to defend your silly assertions about the Ark. If you really think Noah trained monkeys to feed and care for animals then you should at least be able to explain how they cared for thousands of animals.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
Gunnar wrote: If God really wants someone dead, he had better do the deed himself. I won't do it for him--nor would I believe it was really God's desire, unless he does it himself!
I think this is an important clue people are not believing in a real God. This is a dangerous doctrine as you have brought up. We teach that if God says to kill we should kill. This means that there will always be some nut somewhere who will think God is doing just that. I doubt God would want this and would understand a commandment to not kill should not have exceptions if she/he/they command. They are certainly more then capable if they exist. If religions would teach that God will never command one to kill for them this would help to potentially avoid a few murders.
Exactly right! It would be incredibly stupid of God to set the precedent of asking any of us mortals to kill for him. Once having done that, any murderous, religious charlatans or nut jobs can use that precedent to justify their own claims that God has commanded them to kill (as many of them have done). A wise and just God would have established from the outset that the mere claim that He commanded someone to kill for Him is incontrovertible proof that the claimant is lying or deluded.
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No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Mktavish wrote:Whoopsie , screwed things up again, hope I don't confuse you all to much.
Oh come on ,... you can't go mixing mans lust for blood with his desire to serve the one and true god.
God asks us to aspire to perfection , not actually be perfect . Hitler aspired to perfection but he never achieved it.
Therefore persperation is a word that gets shortened into four letter status. Hence all the commercials for Anti-persperant. Our society is afraid to sweat.
Oh wait , I meant your society , cuz we all be sweatin down here in Nawllins.
Yeah, it was certainly a convoluted post, and you're right. We get a lot of those here.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
subgenius wrote:If God instructs whatever then you are best to follow...pretty simple. Funny how people who post like yours seem to have so much issue against following God but they have little resistance against follow Satan.
Like Abraham was doing when told to murder his son? Would you?
If God told you via a burning in the bosom that you needed to sacrifice your first born on an alter by slitting his throat would you do it? If not why not?
If there was a man passed out in the gutter would you rob him and cut off his head because God had told via a spiritual prompting that he had a book you really needed to have would you do it? If not why not?
If God told you via those internal feelings to go marry three more women would you do it? If not why not?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Gunnar wrote:Nothing would cause me to question my own sanity more than a strong "prompting or revelation from God" (or at least question the real source of the prompting) to kill someone in cold blood like (for example) Nephi killed Laban. I would rather God killed me than obey such a prompting or revelation.
If God took you in the spirit to the future where you saw a person kill your family and then God said I place this person in your hand. On your return would you kill that person even though they had not done anything yet?
I am not so sure we can make blanket statements about our dealings with God.
Are you saying that Laban was innocent blood? If you oppose the will of God is that enough reason for God who knows the future to have you killed? I mean if His will and plan are overturned by you does God have justification to remove the obstacle?
Read carefully the conversation between Christ and Abraham about the destruction of Sodom.
Gunnar wrote:Nothing would cause me to question my own sanity more than a strong "prompting or revelation from God" (or at least question the real source of the prompting) to kill someone in cold blood like (for example) Nephi killed Laban. I would rather God killed me than obey such a prompting or revelation.
If God took you in the spirit to the future where you saw a person kill your family and then God said I place this person in your hand. On your return would you kill that person even though they had not done anything yet?
I am not so sure we can make blanket statements about our dealings with God.
Are you saying that Laban was innocent blood? If you oppose the will of God is that enough reason for God who knows the future to have you killed? I mean if His will and plan are overturned by you does God have justification to remove the obstacle?
Read carefully the conversation between Christ and Abraham about the destruction of Sodom.
Frank, Laban wasn't opposing God's will. He was opposing Lehi's will. Nephi just attributed Lehi's will to God.
Laban is described as being more righteous than Nephi. Yes Laban kept the bribes that Nephi and his brothers offered, but Nephi murdered him in cold blood and then stole the plates and tricked Ishmael into not grassing him up.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
