The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

[_Drifting]

When you have millions of followers get back to me.

Franktalk, do you feel the number of followers that someone/something has is a measure of truth?

[_Franktalk]

Franktalk, do you feel the number of followers that someone/something has is a measure of truth?

I do not but Themis does. But his opinion is swayed by what he feels is an earthly truth. In the group of people who feel the same he goes along with the majority opinion. We all respect the opinion of others to one degree or another. I am moved by others I feel are guided by the spirit. But I check them out none the less.

[_Drifting]

Franktalk, do you feel the number of followers that someone/something has is a measure of truth?

I do not but Themis does. But his opinion is swayed by what he feels is an earthly truth. In the group of people who feel the same he goes along with the majority opinion. We all respect the opinion of others to one degree or another. I am moved by others I feel are guided by the spirit. But I check them out none the less.

What do you think is the best indicator of truth?

[_Themis]

Franktalk, do you feel the number of followers that someone/something has is a measure of truth?

I do not but Themis does.

I see you have no problem with lying. Doesn't your beliefs consider that a sin?

You implied it with your post to me

Please write down all of the truth you know to be true. When you have millions of followers get back to me.

I never did.

But his opinion is swayed by what he feels is an earthly truth. In the group of people who feel the same he goes along with the majority opinion. We all respect the opinion of others to one degree or another. I am moved by others I feel are guided by the spirit. But I check them out none the less.

The difference is I a willing to look at all the evidence and change my beliefs accordingly, you are not. The physical has the better track record, which should be expected if the spiritual is created by your own body, and then interpreted by your world view and what you want to believe.

[_Themis]

Write down all the truth that he knows?! Why?! That would take three paragraphs!

I see as usual no substance and just an attack on another person. This is the sign one has lost.

[_Franktalk]

I see as usual no substance and just an attack on another person. This is the sign one has lost.

Lost what? Lost the truth? One can not lose something that one never had. How many of us can say we have known the truth? Many say it but I suspect few have really known the truth. Truth speaks for itself. Arguments between people mean little. Why do you place such worth on something so worthless as a good argument? Do you really think a skilled liar can create truth?

[_Themis]

I see as usual no substance and just an attack on another person. This is the sign one has lost.

Lost what?

It's a sign one cannot deal with the issues and starts to only post attacks on the person.

Lost the truth? One can not lose something that one never had. How many of us can say we have known the truth?

Truth is only in the proposition. I suspect this may be something you don't understand at the moment. You think certain propositions are true, but we disagree on some of those propositions. You don't want to deal with evidence outside of your internal feelings, emotions, thoughts to see if they hold up.

Why do you place such worth on something so worthless as a good argument?

It's a world better then a bad argument such as some of the ones you bring up like Noah's flood being global.

Do you really think a skilled liar can create truth?

Again truth is only in the proposition. Skilled liars don't have to lie, just as people who think lying is wrong don't always tell the truth. I gave an example of your dishonesty in a recent post.

[_Franktalk]

Truth is only in the proposition. I suspect this may be something you don't understand at the moment. You think certain propositions are true, but we disagree on some of those propositions. You don't want to deal with evidence outside of your internal feelings, emotions, thoughts to see if they hold up.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

To disagree with you is bliss.

[_Themis]

Truth is only in the proposition. I suspect this may be something you don't understand at the moment. You think certain propositions are true, but we disagree on some of those propositions. You don't want to deal with evidence outside of your internal feelings, emotions, thoughts to see if they hold up.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

To disagree with you is bliss.

Would you agree that truth is only in the proposition?

[_Franktalk]

Just what is the Kingdom of God? I am not sure but I suspect it is better than this place. Although some feel this place is just fine. It is my belief that they are settling because of the unknown. This is a view based on safety. For those who will take that leap of faith into the unknown I think there is a huge reward. For those who wish to stay I think they will stay. I wonder if how we treat fear is really the driving force on our path. If we love God more than we fear Him then we look forward to seeing Him. But if we fear the unknown then our own fear and not love drives us. We cling to what we know even in the face of a promise of something better. And when you consider that God allows for free will then those who deny Him He will not allow in His presence. The choice is ours. The fear is ours. We choose what to embrace. We choose what to hold as truth. We have many paths that we can take. All of this is supplied for us. We are born into this world of choices. If we embrace this world I think we stay here. If we seek another then doors are opened for us.