Quasimodo wrote:Gosh Nipper, you're only up to Exodus? It's becoming clear that you will be spending all of 2013 on this project. I think you may have picked the wrong board to dedicate so much time to.
I suspect that you have no converts yet. I also suspect that you will have no more than that. I admire your dedication, but I think it may be misplaced.
Consider spending this amount of time working for a homeless shelter. You could do so much more good.
God only wishes that His elect hold forth their light. He never said to hit anyone over the head with the lamp. Winston Churchill once said, "Never give up." There are those who read these threads and never post anything. What I do is throw the seeds. Some may fall onto good soil to spring forth at some later date. Besides, I'm getting to read the Bible all over again. And I feel others also see this as their opportunity.
Quasimodo wrote:Gosh Nipper, you're only up to Exodus? It's becoming clear that you will be spending all of 2013 on this project. I think you may have picked the wrong board to dedicate so much time to.
I suspect that you have no converts yet. I also suspect that you will have no more than that. I admire your dedication, but I think it may be misplaced.
Consider spending this amount of time working for a homeless shelter. You could do so much more good.
+1
LittleNipper wrote:God only wishes that His elect hold forth their light.
which god? are you his/her/its elect? who did say it?
LittleNipper wrote: He never said to hit anyone over the head with the lamp.
I surmount the temptation to do it with you
LittleNipper wrote: Winston Churchill once said, "Never give up."
He said: "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
LittleNipper wrote:What I do is throw the seeds.
to our mug
LittleNipper wrote:Some may fall onto good soil to spring forth at some later date.
may
LittleNipper wrote:I'm getting to read the Bible all over again.
it is your private social problem
LittleNipper wrote: And I feel others also see this as their opportunity.
http://unbound.biola.edu/ is a better source, there are 11 English version and more then hundred in different languages.
One more saying from WC (Winston Churchill...) "All men make mistakes, but only wise men learn from their mistakes."
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Exodus 31:1-18 At this poibt the Lord informs Moses of a man named Bezaleel, son of Uri, son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah. And God explains that this individual has been inspired by God to be able to work, understand and figure out how to work to be a a gold, silver and brass smith; plus a stone sculptor and wood carver. And God has provided him with Aholiab, son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan, who is also very understanding of crafts. God has given them a vision of wnat needs to be done, how it is to look and how to fabricate everything exactly as God wishes.This includes the tent of meeting, the ark of testimony with the mercy-seat, all the vessels of the tent, the table and its vessels,the pure candlestick and all its vessels, the altar of the perfume,the altar of the burnt-offering plus all its vessels, the laver and its base, the coloured garments, the holy priestly vestments for Aaron the priest, and those of his sons, the anointing oil, and the perfume of the spices for the sanctuary. Everything God has commanded of Moses, these two men will see the vision and be able to bring this to be accordingly as God wants. And God tells Moses to speak to the nation of Israel and tell them to keep God's. Such is a sign between God and them, and their future generation to show their sanctification by God. The the Hebrew who spoils it will certainly be put to death -- for any who works on it -- that person will be shunned.Six days is work done, and in the seventh day is a holy rest to God. Doing work on the sabbath-day is a just cause for death for the sons of Israel. This will be so to the end of that age. God made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He stopped, and is refreshed. And God gives to Moses, when He finisheth speaking with him on mount Sinai, two tables of the testimony, tables of stone, written by the finger of God.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,
2 `See, I have called by name Bezaleel, son of Uri, son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah,
3 and I fill him [with] the Spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all work,
4 to devise devices to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
5 and in graving of stone for settings, and in graving of wood to work in all work.
6 `And I, lo, I have given with him Aholiab, son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan, and in the heart of every wise-hearted one I have given wisdom, and they have made all that which I have commanded thee.
7 `The tent of meeting, and the ark of testimony, and the mercy-seat which [is] on it, and all the vessels of the tent,
8 and the table and its vessels, and the pure candlestick and all its vessels, and the altar of the perfume,
9 and the altar of the burnt-offering and all its vessels, and the laver and its base,
10 and the coloured garments, and the holy garments for Aaron the priest, and the garments of his sons, for acting as priests in;
11 and the anointing oil, and the perfume of the spices for the sanctuary; according to all that I have commanded thee -- they do.'
12 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,
13 `And thou, speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, Only, My sabbaths ye do keep, for it [is] a sign between Me and you, to your generations, to know that I, Jehovah, am sanctifying you;
14 and ye have kept the sabbath, for it [is] holy to you, he who is polluting it is certainly put to death -- for any who doeth work in it -- that person hath even been cut off from the midst of his people.
15 `Six days is work done, and in the seventh day [is] a sabbath of holy rest to Jehovah; any who doeth work in the sabbath-day is certainly put to death,
16 and the sons of Israel have observed the sabbath; to keep the sabbath to their generations [is] a covenant age-during,
17 between Me and the sons of Israel it [is] a sign -- to the age; for six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, and in the seventh day He hath ceased, and is refreshed.'
18 And He giveth unto Moses, when He finisheth speaking with him in mount Sinai, two tables of the testimony, tables of stone, written by the finger of God.
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More death penalties... Kill 'em... Kill 'em ALL!!! God is GREAT! Praise Jesus! True Praise!
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13 `And thou, speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, Only, My sabbaths ye do keep, for it [is] a sign between Me and you, to your generations, to know that I, Jehovah, am sanctifying you;
14 and ye have kept the sabbath, for it [is] holy to you, he who is polluting it is certainly put to death -- for any who doeth work in it -- that person hath even been cut off from the midst of his people.
15 `Six days is work done, and in the seventh day [is] a sabbath of holy rest to Jehovah; any who doeth work in the sabbath-day is certainly put to death,
16 and the sons of Israel have observed the sabbath; to keep the sabbath to their generations [is] a covenant age-during,
Which day of the week is sabbath? Saturday? For christians?... Or sunday / the lordsday? Which is the first day of the week? Wich is the seventh one?
You know, I am a miserable non-english. Among the English weekdays there is no sabbath. There is Sunday and Saturday. No similarity to the word. In Russian, Saturday is суббота read as subbota. Sounds similar as sabbath... In German, there is Samstag/Sonnabend and Sonntag. None of them similar to sabbath. In Hungarian, we have szombat =Saturday and vasárnap =Sunday. And our weekdays are not worth to begin with caps.
Archaic, obsolete, outworn text, no one can interpret it, including You. Please, teach us! Sabbath, first day, seventh day and such. Which day is which? In English? (Your language...) In German (everybody speak it here...) In Hungarian (my language, if I may ask...)
"perfume of the spices for the sanctuary" can be left out.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
13 `And thou, speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, Only, My sabbaths ye do keep, for it [is] a sign between Me and you, to your generations, to know that I, Jehovah, am sanctifying you;
14 and ye have kept the sabbath, for it [is] holy to you, he who is polluting it is certainly put to death -- for any who doeth work in it -- that person hath even been cut off from the midst of his people.
15 `Six days is work done, and in the seventh day [is] a sabbath of holy rest to Jehovah; any who doeth work in the sabbath-day is certainly put to death,
16 and the sons of Israel have observed the sabbath; to keep the sabbath to their generations [is] a covenant age-during,
Which day of the week is sabbath? Saturday? For christians?... Or sunday / the lordsday? Which is the first day of the week? Wich is the seventh one?
You know, I am a miserable non-english. Among the English weekdays there is no sabbath. There is Sunday and Saturday. No similarity to the word. In Russian, Saturday is суббота read as subbota. Sounds similar as sabbath... In German, there is Samstag/Sonnabend and Sonntag. None of them similar to sabbath. In Hungarian, we have szombat =Saturday and vasárnap =Sunday. And our weekdays are not worth to begin with caps.
Archaic, obsolete, outworn text, no one can interpret it, including You. Please, teach us! Sabbath, first day, seventh day and such. Which day is which? In English? (Your language...) In German (everybody speak it here...) In Hungarian (my language, if I may ask...)
"perfume of the spices for the sanctuary" can be left out.
The Sabbath day was literally Saturday ---the last day of the week when God rested after 6 days of creation (as an example to man). That changed when the Age of the LAW ended and the Age of Grace began. It became Sunday as a celebration in honor of the Lord Jesus Christ's resurection day, which took place on the first day of the week.
Exodus 32:1-35 32 Moses seems to be taking a long time to come back down the mountain. The people gather around Aaron and tell him to make them some gods who can lead. They don’t know what happened to Moses. Aaron says to gather gold rings from the ears of the wives and sons and daughters, and bring them. to Aaron. Aaron takes the gold, melts it down, and molds it into the shape of a calf. When the people see it, they exclaim that such are the gods who brought them out of the land of Egypt. Aaron sees how excited the people are, so he built an altar in front of the calf. Then he announced thatthe following day will be a festival to the Lord. The people get up early the next morning to sacrifice burnt offerings and peace offerings. After this, they celebrated with feasting and drinking, and they indulged in pagan debauchery. The Lord tells Moses to quickly decend the mountain. The people whom Moses brought from the land of Egypt have quickly corrupted themselves. The Lord says that the people are stubborn and rebellious these people are. God says He will destroy them, and make Moses, into a great nation. Moses pleads for the people, and the Egyptians will say that their God rescued them with the evil intention of slaughtering them in the mountains and wiping them from the face of the earth. Moses brings up God's servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God bound Himself with an oath to them, saying that He will make their descendants as numerous as the stars of heaven. And will give them all of this land promised to their descendants, and they will possess it forever. So the Lord changes his mind about the terrible disaster he had threatened to bring on his people. Moses turned and went down the mountain. He held in his hands the two stone tablets inscribed with the terms of the covenant. They are inscribed on both sides front and back. These tablets are God’s work; the words on them being written by God himself. Joshua hears the boisterous noise of the people shouting below them, he exclaims to Moses that it sounds like war in the camp. Moses replied that it’s not a shout of victory nor the wailing of defeat, but the sound of a celebration. When they came near the camp, Moses sees the calf and the dancing, and he burns with anger. He throws the stone tablets to the ground, smashing them at the foot of the mountain. He takes the calf they had made and burns it. Then he ground it into powder, throws it into the water, and forces the people to drink it. Finally, he turned to Aaron and demanded what the people did to make him bring such terrible sin upon them? Aaron replies to Moses not to get upset that he should know how evil these people were. They said to make gods who will lead them. They don’t know what happened to this fellow Moses, who brought them from the land of Egypt. So Aaron says he told them what gold jewelry they have take it off. When they brought it, Aaron says that he simply threw it into the fire—and out came the calf. Moses sees that Aaron had let the people get completely out of control, much to the amusement of their enemies. So he stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the Lord’s side, come here and join me.” And all the Levites gathered around him. Moses tells them that this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: Each of them are to take their swords and go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other. Kill everyone—even brothers, friends, and neighbors. The Levites obeyed Moses’ command, and about 3,000 people died that day.Then Moses told the Levites that today they have ordained themselves for the service of the Lord, for they obeyed him even though it meant killing their own sons and brothers. Today they have earned a blessing. The next day Moses said to the people that they have committed a terrible sin, but Mose will go back up to the Lord on the mountain. Perhaps Moses will be able to obtain forgiveness for their sin. So Moses returns to the Lord and says what a terrible sin these people have committed. They have made gods of gold for themselves. But now, if you will only forgive their sin—but if not, God should erase Moses' name from the record God has written. But the Lord replies to Moses that He will only erase the names of everyone who has sinned against God. Then God says to lead the people to the place God told to Moses. God's angel will lead the way before them. And when God comes to call the people to account, God will certainly hold them responsible for their sins.Then the Lord sent a great plague upon the people because they had worshiped the calf Aaron had made.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And the people see that Moses is delaying to come down from the mount, and the people assemble against Aaron, and say unto him, `Rise, make for us gods who go before us, for this Moses -- the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt -- we have not known what hath happened to him.'
2 And Aaron saith unto them, `Break off the rings of gold which [are] in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring in unto me;'
3 and all the people themselves break off the rings of gold which [are] in their ears, and bring in unto Aaron,
4 and he receiveth from their hand, and doth fashion it with a graving tool, and doth make it a molten calf, and they say, `These thy gods, O Israel, who brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.'
5 And Aaron seeth, and buildeth an altar before it, and Aaron calleth, and saith, `A festival to Jehovah -- to-morrow;'
6 and they rise early on the morrow, and cause burnt-offerings to ascend, and bring nigh peace-offerings; and the people sit down to eat and to drink, and rise up to play.
7 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `Go, descend, for thy people whom thou hast brought up out of the land of Egypt hath done corruptly,
8 they have turned aside hastily from the way that I have commanded them; they have made for themselves a molten calf, and bow themselves to it, and sacrifice to it, and say, These thy gods, O Israel, who brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.'
9 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `I have seen this people, and lo, it [is] a stiff-necked people;
10 and now, let Me alone, and My anger doth burn against them, and I consume them, and I make thee become a great nation.'
11 And Moses appeaseth the face of Jehovah his God, and saith, `Why, O Jehovah, doth Thine anger burn against Thy people, whom Thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a strong hand?
12 why do the Egyptians speak, saying, For evil He brought them out to slay them among mountains, and to consume them from off the face of the ground? turn back from the heat of Thine anger, and repent of the evil against Thy people.
13 `Be mindful of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Israel, Thy servants, to whom Thou hast sworn by Thyself, and unto whom Thou speakest: I multiply your seed as stars of the heavens, and all this land, as I have said, I give to your seed, and they have inherited to the age;'
14 and Jehovah repenteth of the evil which He hath spoken of doing to His people.
15 And Moses turneth, and goeth down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony [are] in his hand, tables written on both their sides, on this and on that [are] they written;
16 and the tables are the work of God, and the writing is the writing of God, graven on the tables.
17 And Joshua heareth the voice of the people in their shouting, and saith unto Moses, `A noise of battle in the camp!'
18 and he saith, `It is not the voice of the crying of might, nor is it the voice of the crying of weakness -- a voice of singing I am hearing.'
19 And it cometh to pass, when he hath drawn near unto the camp, that he seeth the calf, and the dancing, and the anger of Moses burneth, and he casteth out of his hands the tables, and breaketh them under the mount;
20 and he taketh the calf which they have made, and burneth [it] with fire, and grindeth until [it is] small, and scattereth on the face of the waters, and causeth the sons of Israel to drink.
21 And Moses saith unto Aaron, `What hath this people done to thee, that thou hast brought in upon it a great sin?'
22 and Aaron saith, `Let not the anger of my lord burn; thou -- thou hast known the people that it [is] in evil;
23 and they say to me, Make for us gods, who go before us, for this Moses -- the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt -- we have not known what hath happened to him;
24 and I say to them, Whoso hath gold, let them break [it] off, and they give to me, and I cast it into the fire, and this calf cometh out.'
25 And Moses seeth the people that it [is] unbridled, for Aaron hath made it unbridled for contempt among its withstanders,
26 and Moses standeth in the gate of the camp, and saith, `Who [is] for Jehovah? -- unto me!' and all the sons of Levi are gathered unto him;
27 and he saith to them, `Thus said Jehovah, God of Israel, Put each his sword by his thigh, pass over and turn back from gate to gate through the camp, and slay each his brother, and each his friend, and each his relation.'
28 And the sons of Levi do according to the word of Moses, and there fall of the people on that day about three thousand men,
29 and Moses saith, `Consecrate your hand to-day to Jehovah, for a man [is] against his son, and against his brother, so as to bring on you to-day a blessing.'
30 And it cometh to pass, on the morrow, that Moses saith unto the people, `Ye -- ye have sinned a great sin, and now I go up unto Jehovah, if so be I atone for your sin.'
31 And Moses turneth back unto Jehovah, and saith, `Oh this people hath sinned a great sin, that they make to themselves a god of gold;
32 and now, if Thou takest away their sin -- and if not -- blot me, I pray thee, out of Thy book which Thou hast written.'
33 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `Whoso hath sinned against Me -- I blot him out of My book;
34 and now, go, lead the people whithersoever I have spoken to thee of; lo, My messenger goeth before thee, and in the day of my charging -- then I have charged upon them their sin.'
35 And Jehovah plagueth the people, because they made the calf which Aaron made.
ludwigm wrote:[ quote="LittleNipper"]Exodus 31:1-18 [ /quote] Which day of the week is sabbath? Saturday? For christians?... Or sunday / the lordsday? Which is the first day of the week? Wich is the seventh one?
You know, I am a miserable non-english. Among the English weekdays there is no sabbath. There is Sunday and Saturday. No similarity to the word. In Russian, Saturday is суббота read as subbota. Sounds similar as sabbath... In German, there is Samstag/Sonnabend and Sonntag. None of them similar to sabbath. In Hungarian, we have szombat =Saturday and vasárnap =Sunday. And our weekdays are not worth to begin with caps.
Archaic, obsolete, outworn text, no one can interpret it, including You. Please, teach us! Sabbath, first day, seventh day and such. Which day is which? In English? (Your language...) In German (everybody speak it here...) In Hungarian (my language, if I may ask...)
"perfume of the spices for the sanctuary" can be left out.
The Sabbath day was literally Saturday ---the last day of the week when God rested after 6 days of creation (as an example to man). That changed when the Age of the LAW ended and the Age of Grace began. It became Sunday as a celebration in honor of the Lord Jesus Christ's resurection day, which took place on the first day of the week.
Yes! YesssSir! I understand everything.
When I read "seventh day" (the last day of the week...) in the Bible, I should interpret it as "first day". It's logical. There were the chosen people, the jews, and their big prophet, Moses, who wrote the book. You know, "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." God should have rest on the first day, and all the jews are in error.
And all of us around the world are in error, where the day of the rest is Sunday, the "first day". You know, the weekend. (OK, in many places the weekend starts at Saturday.)
************************** by the way where is in the Bible, that "the Age of the LAW ended and the Age of Grace began"? or that those should have ended/begun?
The word "age" can be found in the Bible as the effect of time on a person, and not as era or time range. And the word "age" can not be found in the New Testament, at all. (In KJV, the only valid clone for Mormons.)
Dear LittleNipper, mine fellow human neighbour, whom I (shalt...) love as myself... - do You know really the book You advertise us with this great bandwidth?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
They didn't like it at church when I pierced my ear to look like Bros back in the 80's.
PrickKicker: I used to be a Narrow minded, short sighted, Lying, Racist, Homophobic, Pious, Moron. But they were all behavioral traits that I had learnt through Mormonism.
LittleNipper wrote:[] Yes! YesssSir! I understand everything.
When I read "seventh day" (the last day of the week...) in the Bible, I should interpret it as "first day". It's logical. There were the chosen people, the jews, and their big prophet, Moses, who wrote the book. You know, "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." God should have rest on the first day, and all the jews are in error.
And all of us around the world are in error, where the day of the rest is Sunday, the "first day". You know, the weekend. (OK, in many places the weekend starts at Saturday.)
************************** by the way where is in the Bible, that "the Age of the LAW ended and the Age of Grace began"? or that those should have ended/begun?
The word "age" can be found in the Bible as the effect of time on a person, and not as era or time range. And the word "age" can not be found in the New Testament, at all. (In KJV, the only valid clone for Mormons.)
Dear LittleNipper, mine fellow human neighbour, whom I (shalt...) love as myself... - do You know really the book You advertise us with this great bandwidth?
The most obvious reason is that Saturday has been the Sabbath for thousands of years. And since Jesus, Himself was here, he declared no error in that. So, Biblical logic must hold to the fact that Saturday is the original Sabbath day. As for the 'end of the age,' please see below:
Mat 24:3-9 (NIV) As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me." Mat 24:10-14 (NIV) "At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase in wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
