Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

[_Franktalk]

I believe that the GAs of the church have danced around fundamental issues, whilst undeservedly enjoying the honour, love and respect and also fame and fortune of the title 'Prophet, Seer and Revelator.'
They are burying those talents in the ground and not putting them to good use.

When was the last time someone in this position predicted or produced a supernatural miracle?
Joseph Smith?

What good is the title today?

You make a good point. If a prophet actually guides with the word of God then that of course requires those words. You ask where are those words? I will not defend the GAs of the church. By their actions we will know them. If what they say carries weight then we should see the results. Things of God continue but things of man die and blow away. You question whether the church is of God or is it of men. Right now I would have to say it is of men. But is there a value in the church that has not been corrupted? I think there is value. It is like all of scripture it must be searched out. I am not ready to toss out the whole when I know that some truth can still be uncovered. For me this is the path I am on. I search for truth. You may see me with blinders on but from where I sit it is the world which is blinded. That blindness is everywhere including all churches. It is the nature of the world and everything of the world can't help itself. Only when one has cast off the world can you even see what is truly happening. I know you see the errors before your eyes but be careful what you use to declare error. If you use the truth of man then you will not progress at all and you place your self at risk of falling. Use instead firm truths of scripture and cast everything else aside. Let things be sorted out over long periods of time. Do not make snap determinations. Ask for discernment and you may get it. But you will never get it if you wrap your self with the world. Where you see me embracing odd beliefs in science I can tell you I don't know the past anymore than anybody else. I bring up alternate explanations as examples of other thoughts of men but the bottom line is I don't know and best of all I don't care. My casting off the world allows me to not care how it all happened. I don't need to know. Real truth does not even come from this creation. The creation is a made thing. A lump of clay that can be fashioned many ways. Rather than look at the clay I am attempting to know about the sculptor and His shop. Not an easy thing to do by the way.

I believe we are living in a repeating pattern. The Bible is filled with examples of pockets of solid truth separated by long periods of weakness, drifting from message and adding on of man's opinions. Even in the time of truth giving the message may not have been received correctly. Errors make other errors. We are in such a time. It just means work harder and trust no man. But even when the Jews had corrupted the words of Moses they still attended the synagogue. In this they are accounted as righteous. The world is a cesspool of error and corruption so what. I think we should deal with it as best we can. I will not run away and hide my head in the sand.

[_bcuzbcuz]

I prophecy that it will rain in England in October 2012 (but not enough to flood the earth).

you and kicker are obviously struggling with the difference between prophecy and prediction.
a common error with posts that seemingly have a cursory understanding of either word.

I, on the other hand, am a prophet. Therefore, by definition, my prediction that it will rain in Sweden during the months of September, October and December, is......wait for it....a prophecy. I have, however, not attached a year to my prophecy since I want it to be for the future....and furthermore I prophecy that this rain is a sign, calling for repentance of the sinful Swedes, because the last days are upon us. The rain will turn to sleet, the sleet into snow and people will freeze like never before. All this will be a sign of the second coming.

Now, that is a prophecy.

[_subgenius]

But you can furnish us with a clarification on the difference, right?

They don't allow access to Google or Webster's Dictionary in the UK?
We had a Dictionary in every classroom when i was in school....i forget that other countries are not as well endowed as America.

The simple grade school distinction would be as follows:

Prediction - the act of reasoning about the future, a statement about the future.
Prophecy - knowledge, or statement uttered, about the future due to divine inspiration or by divine source.

tomorrow's lesson: The true fallacy of atheists.
"The atheists I've met went through a period of personal disillusion with religion, and on that basis alone they became atheists. Could anything be more subjective for a crowd that decries subjectivity? Could anything be more idiosyncratic for a group that claims to represent universal reason?" - Deepak Chopra

Satan

[_Drifting]

Prediction - the act of reasoning about the future, a statement about the future.
Prophecy - knowledge, or statement uttered, about the future due to divine inspiration or by divine source.

So, a Prophecy is a Prediction made whilst listening to voices in your head/tummy. Got it.

[_SteelHead]

See. I prophecied and it came to pass.

[_subgenius]

Now, that is a prophecy.

huh?

[_PrickKicker]

They don't allow access to Google or Webster's Dictionary in the UK?
We had a Dictionary in every classroom when i was in school....i forget that other countries are not as well endowed as America.

The simple grade school distinction would be as follows:

Prediction - the act of reasoning about the future, a statement about the future.
Prophecy - knowledge, or statement uttered, about the future due to divine inspiration or by divine source.

Sub: My interpretation of your altered belief.

Prediction - the act of reasoning about the future, a statement about the future.
Prophecy - the act of reasoning about the future, a statement about the future, claimed to be by divine inspiration or by divine source (by hallucination and or inexplicable voices in ones head.)

Frank: thank you, I want desperately to believe in a supreme being, but cannot bring myself to believe in anything less convincing than the LDS church, until I have proof.
Some one asking me to 'have Faith,' to me is just a religious con-man's way of saying 'Trust me.'

But I wish you both the best in your quests for world domination / through Conversion.

[_Drifting]

They don't allow access to Google or Webster's Dictionary in the UK?
We had a Dictionary in every classroom when i was in school....i forget that other countries are not as well endowed as America.

The simple grade school distinction would be as follows:

Prediction - the act of reasoning about the future, a statement about the future.
Prophecy - knowledge, or statement uttered, about the future due to divine inspiration or by divine source.

Sub: My interpretation of your altered belief.

Prediction - the act of reasoning about the future, a statement about the future.
Prophecy - the act of reasoning about the future, a statement about the future, claimed to be by divine inspiration or by divine source (by hallucination and or inexplicable voices in ones head.)

Frank: thank you, I want desperately to believe in a supreme being, but cannot bring myself to believe in anything less convincing than the LDS church, until I have proof.
Some one asking me to 'have Faith,' to me is just a religious con-man's way of saying 'Trust me.'

But I wish you both the best in your quests for world domination / through Conversion.

Bernie Madoff worked by getting investors to have Faith in him...

[_LittleNipper]

"So, why don't you wish to believe that the Flood happened," I said.

I don't think that it's the detail missing from the story that's the biggest challenge to its historicity. It's the complete lack of corroboration.
People who believe in the flood as a literal historic event based on the Bible are like people who believe in Hogwarts as a literal historic placed based on the Harry Potter books.

What would one expect to find 4 to 5 thousand years after a world wide flood? Fossils everywhere --- certainly. Multiple geologic layers of sediment ----- absolutely. Areas wept clean of vegetation and left to become arid wasteland --- frankly yes. Continued earthquakes because of cracked and buckled tetonic plates --- be a fool not to imagine so. Canyons gouged out by standing water runoff --- nothing less. Need one go on? The simple fact is, that the mind that will not accept the Flood simply creates "rational" explanations that fit some other expectation. And where was this developed? By secularists and atheists outside the universities. The christians that reject the Flood simply do not wish to seem less than "modern" in their thinking. Everyone loves an atheist. They can be the social life of the party.

[_Drifting]

What would one expect to find 4 to 5 thousand years after a world wide flood? Fossils everywhere --- certainly. Multiple geologic layers of sediment ----- absolutely. Areas wept clean of vegetation and left to become arid wasteland --- frankly yes. Continued earthquakes because of cracked and buckled tetonic plates --- be a fool not to imagine so. Canyons gouged out by standing water runoff --- nothing less. Need one go on? The simple fact is, that the mind that will not accept the Flood simply creates "rational" explanations that fit some other expectation. And where was this developed? By secularists and atheists outside the universities. The christians that reject the Flood simply do not wish to seem less than "modern" in their thinking. Everyone loves an atheist. They can be the social life of the party.

Would it be fair to expect that a civilisation such as....let's say the Egyptians...who were in existence prior to the flood to have been totally wiped out and therefore not in existence after the flood?