The KEPA Manuscripts as Oral Dictation Transcripts

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_William Schryver
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Post by _William Schryver »

Brent,

Game development is my profession, and I'm always pleased when a game broadens the creative horizons of gamers.

What games have you helped develop? Are you actually a programmer? Visual C++? gcc? Java? I imagine it’s still C++ or some variant, since there’s really no limit to its capabilities. Even Visual Basic is up to the task anymore. Although my impression is that most of the good programmers are starting to get gray hair these days. Most of the younger kids seem to be avoiding programming for some reason. There could be a real programmer shortage in a few years.

But on to the discussion . . .

You wrote:

When you say, "Under greater magnification," are you saying that,

You've looked at the original manuscript "[u]nder greater magnification"?

Brian Hauglid has looked at the original "[u]nder greater magnification" and concurs that the "parenthesis" must have been written after the "h" in "the" in the succeeding line?

—or—

• <Insert your alternative explanation>?

To my knowledge, no one examining the originals has done so, yet, with this specific question in mind. It is on the list for the next visit to the archives. Nevertheless, the high-res scans are 100+MB 1200dpi .tif files and permit significant digital magnification.

You would have to communicate directly with Brian to obtain his personal opinion on this matter. Though I make no pretense to expertise in handwriting analysis, in my judgment even 4x digital magnification yields persuasive evidence that the parenthesis was written over the “h” in the following line. I believe Brian concurs with this conclusion, but will permit him to speak for himself.

I will say that, after seeing several examples of the photos you possess, it is my opinion that one shortcoming they have is that the light/dark contrast is not true to the originals -- such that the blacks are often crushed. In other words, the distinct gradations between grays and blacks are often lost – everything looks black at that end of the color spectrum. This may account for your apparent inability to discern the bottom stroke of the parenthesis overwriting the ascender of the “h”.

Now, I could be mistaken about this: the photos you have posted online may not accurately reflect the actual prints/negatives you possess -- I could be observing an artifact of your digital editing process. But my consistent impression from what has been posted online is that the photos tend to crush the blacks.

I've already written a draft of my analysis of the variations in BoAbr mss. 1a (fldr. 2) and 1b (fldr. 3) that correspond to Abr. 1:12, but I'm hesitant to vet my arguments on an informal Web message board.

Well, although I am certainly curious, I suppose I can, to some degree, appreciate your reluctance if this explanation constitutes some of the “thunder” of a future publication.

In any case (as I have attempted to make clear above) I have initiated this thread with the express purpose of seeing what the critical responses are to those areas of the manuscripts I consider to be “problematic” within the context of a dictation scenario. As I also expressed above, I am no longer averse to accepting the conclusion that we are dealing with dictation transcripts. My nuanced views of the “translation” process can accommodate that reality. Still, I have been persuaded that some aspects of the manuscripts are consistent with visual copying. If those things can be explained within the parameters of a dictation scenario, I am willing to abandon the copying theory in favor of dictation. Hence these questions.

For what it's worth, my analysis differs—in some instances, fundamentally—with your proposal and that of Kevin Graham, Paul Osborne, and Chris Smith (at least as far as I understand what Chris believes is plausible).

I look forward to your analysis . . .
_Paul Osborne

Post by _Paul Osborne »

I too look forward to the ideas Brent has about the construction of the KEP. I think it's a good thing that we all contribute ideas. I keep an open mind and am more than willing to consider ideas other than mine own. Let's brainstorm in a positive way without trying to put the other person down or look smarter than others. None of us need to try and convince the others that we have more smarts or are more scholarly. We are all on different levels of understanding. Let's just be kind to each other and keep open minds. It's always amazing how in life we think we know the answer about something only to find out that we were wrong all along.

Anyway, I don't mean to preach. I'm just trying to be nice and not put others down. Hell, I've done enough of that on the Internet to last a lifetime. When I die and have my life review it will sadden me to see how poorly I treated others. I dread that, but fortunately I will throw all my sins at Jesus feet and find healing. In the meantime, I don't want anyone to think that I think I'm smarter than anyone else. I'm really not that smart but do have abilities and gifts as we all have.

I think everyone who has contributed to this thread is qualified to make honest and reasonable ideas. It's very important that we keep our minds open. Look, I don't like it any more than anyone else when I find out that I'm wrong about something, but I need to be ready to face up to my own mistakes and limitations. No one likes to be wrong. No one likes to dismiss the paradigm they have learned to appreciate.

Paul O
_Brent Metcalfe
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Post by _Brent Metcalfe »

Hi Will,

My apologies for the delayed response ... but .... it's official!—I'm a Rock Band-oholic! (And so is my son.)

The videogame industry is an exhilarating venue for left- and right-brain expression (if such things exist). Hey, what other employment could you find where the job description recommends that you spend two hours every day playing games?! Image

I've worked on numerous games, three of which shipped this year: Forza Motorsport 2 (Xbox 360), Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties (Games for Windows), and Scene It? Lights, Cameras, Action (Xbox 360).

I hope to post a few text-critical comments on Abraham 1:12 either tomorrow day or Thursday night.

Until then ...

Cheers,

</brent>
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Post by _ludwigm »

Out of topic, I know
William Schryver wrote:Brent,
Are you actually a programmer? . . . I imagine it’s still C++ or some variant, since there’s really no limit to its capabilities. . . .
- Can one commit big mistakes in C++ ?
- Yes. This makes it superior.
William Schryver wrote:There could be a real programmer shortage in a few years.
Please look for them in Hungary. Here is abundance of them.
- - Ludwig (62 years old C++ programmer in H.)
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Post by _Brent Metcalfe »

Hi Will,

I've prepped photographs that relate to the early textual history of Abraham 1:12 for online display, but helping my son with a school project absorbed the remainder of the evening (read: my rejoinder will be delayed a few more days).

Thanks for your patience.

My best,

</brent>
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Post by _dartagnan »

Am I the only one biting fingernails in anticipation over this one?
“All knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends in it...Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are completely empty as regards reality." - Albert Einstein
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Post by _Brent Metcalfe »

Me too! Image

Thanks for the reminder, Kevin. Prepping for the holidays has been very time consuming this year.

Best to all,

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Post by _truth dancer »

Am I the only one biting fingernails in anticipation over this one?


Nope! I'm right there with you!

:-)


~dancer~
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Post by _Who Knows »

Where's the muscleman pic? Brent's been hitting the weights...
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
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Hi Who Knows,

The pic was one of a few that I took when I was playing around with a camera I purchased a couple of weeks ago:


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Not bad for an old guy! Image

(Mods, I'll delete the pics in a few hours.)

My best,

</brent>

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