Narrow neck of land

[_charity]

If there can be two Hill Cumorahs, does that mean there can be other duplicate places as well, such as two Zarahemlas? Would this help or hinder in apologetic explanations?

(by the way, I am still curious as to whether Charity designating me as a critic constitutes a promotion or a demotion?)

Which way are you headed, mocksha?

[_moksha]

Which way are you headed, mocksha?

Mocksha??? Yikes, I've been zingered. Have you no charity, Charity? ;-)
Hey, don't sweat it. From an orthodox point of view, I suppose I do appear to be a miserable sinner.
However, I refrain from kicking dogs and I have been known to help old ladies cross the street - whether
they wanted to or not....

[_ludwigm]

And because asking is a sin, as it was in the socialism.
You are lucky to not know it. I have lived in it, and as the time passes I see more and more similarities with Mormonism.

I am sorry you live in a repressive country. But the Church is not like that. I could walk up to the prophet and ask him if Joseph Smith was a fraud, and nothing would happen to me.
If you are seeing similarities between socialism and Mormonism, you are beocming paranoid and seeing a socilaist behind every bush.

If one can totally misunderstand a comment, You did it.

"I am sorry you live in a repressive country."
- - - It is our past. We have outgrown it.

"But the Church is not like that."
- - - The Church is like that. It would be worth of a new thread.

"I could walk up to the prophet and ask him if Joseph Smith was a fraud"
- - - Is this a joke isn't this? I could walk up to GWB and ask him if there was no such stupid president up to now. (By the way, Joseph Smith was a fraud and this were and was another thread.)

"you are beocming paranoid and seeing a socilaist behind every bush"
- - - I see no socialist in the church or behind every bush. Fortunately they are rarities today. I see similarities between the functioning of the socialism and the Mormonism as a system/structure/department (choose the proper word).

[_charity]

Which way are you headed, mocksha?

Mocksha??? Yikes, I've been zingered. Have you no charity, Charity? ;-)
Hey, don't sweat it. From an orthodox point of view, I suppose I do appear to be a miserable sinner.
However, I refrain from kicking dogs and I have been known to help old ladies cross the street - whether
they wanted to or not....

And you used to post the most "mocking" pictures on FAIR. I don't doubt you are a good guy. And to answer your question, if you are headed in the right direction now, it was a promotion.

[_charity]

- - - I see no socialist in the church or behind every bush. Fortunately they are rarities today. I see similarities between the functioning of the socialism and the Mormonism as a system/structure/department (choose the proper word).

Socilaism refers to the ownership of the capital of the economy or the politcal unit.

The Church does not own the capital of the Mormon "economy" or "polity." We own our own property, keep our own salaries, distribute out wealth as we chose. If we chose to voluntarily donate good, services, or money, that is a choice. It is not taken from us by the state, as in socialism.

[_Abinadi's Fire]

So much for the "everlasting" United Order.

[_moksha]

Which way are you headed, mocksha?

Mocksha??? Yikes, I've been zingered. Have you no charity, Charity? ;-)
Hey, don't sweat it. From an orthodox point of view, I suppose I do appear to be a miserable sinner.
However, I refrain from kicking dogs and I have been known to help old ladies cross the street - whether
they wanted to or not....

And you used to post the most "mocking" pictures on FAIR. I don't doubt you are a good guy. And to answer your question, if you are headed in the right direction now, it was a promotion.

As far as I remember, I never posted any picture of Dr. Peterson dressed as Carmen Miranda at FAIR. How he dresses in his spare time in no one's business but his own!

You must either be talking about that Missionaries in Space thread or else the FAIR the Musical thread in which Evilelvis and I had a fairly nifty song and dance number involving Hugh Nibley in ancient Egypt. I seem to remember that Mighty Curelom had a Two Cumorahs song that was brilliant.

They were all meant to be in good taste. Anyway, onward and upward - I am LDS by the way.

[_ludwigm]

...
I see similarities between the functioning of the socialism and the Mormonism as a system/structure/department (choose the proper word).

Socilaism refers to the ownership of the capital of the economy or the politcal unit.
The Church does not own the capital of the Mormon "economy" or "polity." We own our own property, keep our own salaries, distribute out wealth as we chose. If we chose to voluntarily donate good, services, or money, that is a choice. It is not taken from us by the state, as in socialism.

"Socilaism(=socialism) refers to the ownership of the capital of the economy or the politcal unit."
- - - This is only the main item in the theory.

"We own our own ... not taken from us ... "
- - - In socialism we (in general, hehe) did own, wasn't taken, etc.

But, in the existed socialism, in the practice:
1. Leaders of the highest level was never changed or retired. They should die. The result is gerontocracy. ( " the 80-year-olds are calling meetings of 70-year-olds to decide which 60-year-olds should retire " -> Today's Cuba, Vietnam, Korea, Albania)
- Is this familiar?
2. Leaders was infallible (not theoretically but practically). Every decision was the truth, then years later was changed to the opposite truth.
- Is this familiar?
3. Decisions came from high, the masses confirmed everything. (Votes: yes 99.98%, invalid 0.02%, no 0.00%)
Here is a little difference, the help was not the Holy Ghost, it was the "socialist self-consciousness" which doesn't exist either.
- Is this familiar?
4. History was rewritten, hidden, distorted.
5. Budget was secret.
6. There was no well-defined doctrine. Only hearsays, urban folklore, "the brethrens (sorry, the comrades) said so".
7. The pamphlets was centralized. (Moscow, not SLC)
8. Who asks, doubts. Who doubts, is an enemy.
9. (how could I forget) that was the only true system of society, which will defeat all others. And it grows permanently.
- Are these all familiar?
10. ... and so many, which were unbelievable if I would not have seen them all.

[_charity]

So much for the "everlasting" United Order.

This is the problem with Satan's plan vs God's plan. Very often the only difference is force or choice. And some people do seem to have a problem with telling the difference.

[_charity]

You must either be talking about that Missionaries in Space thread or else the FAIR the Musical thread in which Evilelvis and I had a fairly nifty song and dance number involving Hugh Nibley in ancient Egypt. I seem to remember that Mighty Curelom had a Two Cumorahs song that was brilliant.

They were all meant to be in good taste. Anyway, onward and upward - I am LDS by the way.

I know you are LDS. And it scares me I could be sitting next to you in Gospel Doctrine class and not know it!