The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

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Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

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Drifting,

Imagine that you come across a burning building and there is no way to put out the fire. You hear people call to you from inside the building and you go inside. You find a room with some people inside. In the room you find a baby, a ten year old with a broken leg, a pregnant woman about 25 who can't walk, and an old man about eighty with no legs. You know there is only time to bring one person out of the building before it is engulfed in flames. What do you do?
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Franktalk wrote:Drifting,

Imagine that you come across a burning building and there is no way to put out the fire. You hear people call to you from inside the building and you go inside. You find a room with some people inside. In the room you find a baby, a ten year old with a broken leg, a pregnant woman about 25 who can't walk, and an old man about eighty with no legs. You know there is only time to bring one person out of the building before it is engulfed in flames. What do you do?


This is not directed at me, but if you do not mind, Frank, may I answer?

The answer is easy. You remain with them all, teaching them about the love of God until the end. The flames provide a perfect example. Nothing that is true will be destroy in them.

These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.

May we all live in love, in self-offering, as our Savior offered himself for us.

Sheryl
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Franktalk wrote:Drifting,

Imagine that you come across a burning building and there is no way to put out the fire. You hear people call to you from inside the building and you go inside. You find a room with some people inside. In the room you find a baby, a ten year old with a broken leg, a pregnant woman about 25 who can't walk, and an old man about eighty with no legs. You know there is only time to bring one person out of the building before it is engulfed in flames. What do you do?


Bring the baby out.

You would pray whilst all of them died.
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Franktalk wrote:
Drifting wrote: In effect, God is made in your image, not the other way round.


You can deny all you want. You can twist a belief of God into some foolish idea. You can sit at the table with all of the others who agree with you. Yes you can wrap yourself in the comfort of your beliefs. And when the time comes and you really need someone I hope and pray they don't believe as you do. I pray they don't think that since you are damaged that the effort to comfort you is a waste of time. After all what is in it for them? I hope they don't deny you health care because you are old and of no value anymore. I hope they don't unplug the machine which keeps you alive and you watch your life slip away. After all we have no worth at all. After we have contributed to society and now become a burden why should we expect society to use its precious resources to sustain you. Your usefulness has come to an end and you will cease to exist in short order anyway.


When I really need someone I hope they don't delegate the job to God.
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Franktalk wrote:
Drifting wrote: In effect, God is made in your image, not the other way round.


You can deny all you want. You can twist a belief of God into some foolish idea. You can sit at the table with all of the others who agree with you. Yes you can wrap yourself in the comfort of your beliefs. And when the time comes and you really need someone I hope and pray they don't believe as you do. I pray they don't think that since you are damaged that the effort to comfort you is a waste of time. After all what is in it for them? I hope they don't deny you health care because you are old and of no value anymore. I hope they don't unplug the machine which keeps you alive and you watch your life slip away. After all we have no worth at all. After we have contributed to society and now become a burden why should we expect society to use its precious resources to sustain you. Your usefulness has come to an end and you will cease to exist in short order anyway.


Your posts really do show a lack of understanding of the world around you. Even many religious people can understand the worth of the individual or group doesn't need to come from God. It's a pitiful attempt to attack those you think do not believe as you do. Very weak.
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Franktalk wrote:Drifting,

Imagine that you come across a burning building and there is no way to put out the fire. You hear people call to you from inside the building and you go inside. You find a room with some people inside. In the room you find a baby, a ten year old with a broken leg, a pregnant woman about 25 who can't walk, and an old man about eighty with no legs. You know there is only time to bring one person out of the building before it is engulfed in flames. What do you do?


I would grab the baby and the ten year old. I am strong enough to carry both easily. I also doubt one could know for sure, so I would hope for time to come back and get the others, or that others may come in and help as well. Fortunately almost everyone in life does not have to make these kind of choices. I certainly hope sheryl is not serious, since her repose is one of the dumbest things I have read. Even God would want you to act instead of just sitting there and talking.
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Themis wrote:Your posts really do show a lack of understanding of the world around you. Even many religious people can understand the worth of the individual or group doesn't need to come from God. It's a pitiful attempt to attack those you think do not believe as you do. Very weak.


Really

Live birth abortions

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer ... -baby-live

Who cares

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30105703/ ... ne-helped/

value of life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_value
http://ezekielcountdown.wordpress.com/2 ... -no-value/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 415AAR2WoD

I know the world is full of evil. You may choose to look the other way.
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Franktalk wrote:
Themis wrote:Your posts really do show a lack of understanding of the world around you. Even many religious people can understand the worth of the individual or group doesn't need to come from God. It's a pitiful attempt to attack those you think do not believe as you do. Very weak.


Really

Live birth abortions

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer ... -baby-live

Who cares

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30105703/ ... ne-helped/

value of life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_value
http://ezekielcountdown.wordpress.com/2 ... -no-value/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 415AAR2WoD

I know the world is full of evil. You may choose to look the other way.


Thank you for demonstrating again your lack of understanding. You yet again don't get what people are saying, and are in your own little world. Your links are irrelevant to what I said. Try again.
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sheryl wrote:This is not directed at me, but if you do not mind, Frank, may I answer?

The answer is easy. You remain with them all, teaching them about the love of God until the end. The flames provide a perfect example. Nothing that is true will be destroy in them.

These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.

May we all live in love, in self-offering, as our Savior offered himself for us.

Sheryl


This is my first thought as well but I would ask for guidance on the way in. The primary thing to consider is the life of those people. That life is not the flesh and bones but spirit that resides inside. If I could help in any way to bring one of those people to God then of course I would lay down my life. We don't seek these events in our life but when they do happen we are not supposed to run from them.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Frank
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Themis wrote:Thank you for demonstrating again your lack of understanding. You yet again don't get what people are saying, and are in your own little world. Your links are irrelevant to what I said. Try again.


Where I can see both world views (mine and yours) you can only see yours. This is why everything I say makes no sense to you.

I do not know how handicapped you are mentally so I will tend to just give you milk to drink. I am sure anything else I may say would indeed fly right on by.
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