Drifting wrote:Liz, let's say you suspect that your husband has been cheating on you....
why the urge to re-package what has clearly been addressed? Changing the circumstances and characters does not confirm your original premise here...are you somehow insulted that you did not get an affirmation so now you try another tactic, sneak in through the back door? So, if the ex-husband is lying, then that must mean Holland is - kind of a reverse straw man, don't you think?
a more accurate, and perhaps less clumsy, analogy would have been for her to ask her husband if his friend was having an affair, to which he responds "no, he is not"...and then she asks "but he was probably having one years ago - because we all have proof that everyone was supposed to be having affairs then, right?"....and then he responds "well, yes...he had an affair."
I think you'll find Liz understands me quite well. Which is why she didn't take personal offence at the analogy, because she knows none was meant.
I notice you haven't addressed what Holland said. Do you think he lied? If not, why not?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
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Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
You seem to first state that he didn't lie and then go on to describe why you thought it was understandable that he lied.
Are you sure you aren't Holland?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Another example is honesty. Some cultures allow lying, stealing, and other dishonest practices. But dishonesty in any form—whether to appease, to save face, or to get gain—is in direct conflict with gospel commandments and culture. God is a God of truth, and God does not change. We are the ones who must change. And that will be a big change for all whose traditions accustom them to thinking that they can lie a little, cheat a little, or engage in deceit whenever it brings personal advantage and is not likely to be detected.
Dalin H Oaks, October 2003
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator