Mittens wrote:Tobin wrote:Uh, Mittens - what are you driving at exactly?
First, a church is merely an association of members. Joe Smith or Joe Blow and form a church at any time they want, with or without God's authority.
And second, if someone has God's priesthood (or authority), then it will be clearly manifested. Otherwise, they don't got it no matter what they claim or when they claimed to have received it.
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Are you saying the Mormon Church doesn't have Gods authority?
Evangelics our members of the Royal Priesthood available to all races and genders, not like the Mormon conterfeit which wasn't available to Cain's race until 1989 or Women who still can't have it.
Please.... Do you REALLY want to go there???
1. You have even a less claim to the actual Priesthood than Mormons.
You are full apostates from the Holy Catholic Church, offshoots of the Protestants who are "Evangelical" who are the direct Apostates from the Catholic Church who DID have the Priesthood as directly given by Christ and his original Apostles.
Your "Priesthood of Believers" idea is a creation 1400 years AFTER Christ during the Protestant Reformation/Apostasy. That idea never existed before then. It was "created" then as a justification by the Protestants to separate themselves, giving THEMSELVES authority of Priesthood that they never had and lost due to their apostasy. Read the history, your "doctrine" never existed until then.
Further, the Bible itself doesn't even support the idea. Yes, it speaks of a "royal priesthood" of the body of saints, but that a translation artifact and only a general statement toward the body of saints (like all Mormons are also of the Royal Priesthood of God (whether they actually have it or not), or in a general sense with the body of believers in Christ are of a Royal Priesthood). But that is not speaking of the "actual" Priesthood. The fact is, is you ignore all the Biblical examples of Christ and the Apostles giving an ACTUAL Priesthood to various leaders, which was/is clearly SEPARATE from the "spiritual/royal priesthood of believers". The Catholic Church, despite it's on Apostasy in some things, DID/DOES a lot of what Christ himself established. You ignoring that demonstrates your own "man-made" religion.
The "Spirit" of God is not the "Priesthood of God". You have confused and perverted the two.
You only have access to his "spirit" as a Believer.... You don't have the actual Priesthood. If you actually read your Bible you would know this. Ignoring the parts which talk about an actual Priesthood being bestowed, while only focusing on the "spirit" of the believer parts, doesn't make you the holders of the truth and true priesthood.
2. The Priesthood was denied to many "races/tribes" in scriptural history. Only the Lineage of Levi were allowed the Priesthood, all others were BANNED. Were they racist too?
Was Christ himself racist for denying the Gospel to be even taught to Gentiles (those not of the chosen seed) until Peter got the revelation to official do so AFTER Christ's death?
The Priesthood being denied to the Lineage of Ham (i.e. African Lineage) was no more racist than the above two examples were racist. Since the ban only applied to those of that lineage, white or black, and since only those who were of that lineage were banned, not blacks of the Islands, not blacks of India, Central/South America, etc., and all other colors in-between, your claim of racism by the church is simply unsustainable. We never segregated our congregations like yours did either. Our church teachings also were of tolerance.
The priesthood ban existed because of the racism in the world toward the African.
The moment the racism in the world at large and American finally ended toward that race, the ban was removed.
http://www.ldsfaqs.com/history/mormons- ... riesthood/
3. Men can't have babies, is God sexist against men???
Was Christ and all the prophets and apostles of the Bible "sexist" when they didn't give women the Priesthood?
Further, women in the LDS Church serve in all kinds of positions as leaders in the Church. They are not held down, minimized in any way. Man and women are equal partners with simply different roles. As a "christian" you should understand this concept.
Your modern liberal political correctness and ignorance of the mind and purposes of God is not a case for you having the Priesthood of God, nor for you condemning us for us simply following what the Bible itself teaches.
I'm in this religion because it is literally true, and not another man-made religion like yours. It's the only religion on the planet that in full and with true authority follows everything the Bible teaches, without omitting and ignoring significant parts like your man-made religions do.
Sorry, find some other ignorant to preach to. It's not us.
