Native American and Children of Israel Fiery Flying Serpents

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You are only quoting one quote of many. Native tradition is that they killed off a white race of Indian. The facts are is that it matches up with genetic results. Native Americans have a rare Caucasian marker that matches up with this traditional account.

A tradition, he said, prevailed among the different nations of Indians through-out that whole extensive range of country, and had been handed down time immemorial, that in an age long gone by, there came white men from a foreign country, and by consent of the Indians established trading-houses and settlements where these tumuli (mounds) are found. A friendly intercourse was continued for several years; many of the white men brought their wives, and had children born to them; and additions to their numbers were made yearly from their own country. These circumstances at length gave rise to jealousies among the Indians, and fears began to be entertained in regard to the increasing numbers, wealth, and ulterior views of the new comers; apprehending that becoming strong, they might one day seize upon the country as their own. A secret council, composed of the chiefs of all the different nations from the St. Lawrence to the Mississippi, was therefore convoked; the result of which, after long deliberation, was a resolution that on a certain night designated for that purpose, all their white neighbors, men, women and children, should be exterminated.“
(Stone 1838 pg. 484)

“There is a dim but persistent tradition of a strange white race preceding the Cherokee, some of the stories even going so far as to locate their former settlements and to identify them as the authors of the ancient works found in the country. The earliest reference appears to be that of Barton in 1797, on the statement of a gentleman whom he quotes as a valuable authority upon the southern tribes. “The Cherokee tell us, that when they first arrived in the country which they inhabit, they found it possessed by certain ‘moon-eyed people,’ who could not see in the day-time. These wretches they expelled.” He seems to consider them an albino race.* Haywood, twenty-six years later, says that the invading Cherokee found “white people” near the head of the Little Tennessee, with forts extending thence down the Tennessee as far as Chickamauga creek. He gives the location of three of these forts. The Cherokee made war against them and drove them to the mouth of Big Chickamauga creek, where they entered into a treaty and agreed to remove if permitted to depart in peace. Permission being granted, they abandoned the country. Elsewhere he speaks of this extirpated white race as having extended into Kentucky and probably also into western Tennessee, according to the concurrent traditions of different tribes.” (Mooney 1902 pg. 22)

“An old Indian, in conversation with Colonel James F. Moore, of Kentucky, informed him that the western country, and particularly Kentucky, had once been inhabited by white people, but that they were exterminated by the Indians. That the last battle was fought at the falls of Ohio, and that the Indians succeeded in driving the Aborigines into a small island below the rapids, where the whole of them were cut to pieces.”
(M.H. Frost 1819; On the aborigines of the Western Countries)

Nice spin though

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You are only quoting one quote of many. Native tradition is that they killed off a white race of Indian. The facts are is that it matches up with genetic results. Native Americans have a rare Caucasian marker that matches up with this traditional account.

A tradition, he said, prevailed among the different nations of Indians through-out that whole extensive range of country, and had been handed down time immemorial, that in an age long gone by, there came white men from a foreign country, and by consent of the Indians established trading-houses and settlements where these tumuli (mounds) are found. A friendly intercourse was continued for several years; many of the white men brought their wives, and had children born to them; and additions to their numbers were made yearly from their own country. These circumstances at length gave rise to jealousies among the Indians, and fears began to be entertained in regard to the increasing numbers, wealth, and ulterior views of the new comers; apprehending that becoming strong, they might one day seize upon the country as their own. A secret council, composed of the chiefs of all the different nations from the St. Lawrence to the Mississippi, was therefore convoked; the result of which, after long deliberation, was a resolution that on a certain night designated for that purpose, all their white neighbors, men, women and children, should be exterminated.“
(Stone 1838 pg. 484)

“There is a dim but persistent tradition of a strange white race preceding the Cherokee, some of the stories even going so far as to locate their former settlements and to identify them as the authors of the ancient works found in the country. The earliest reference appears to be that of Barton in 1797, on the statement of a gentleman whom he quotes as a valuable authority upon the southern tribes. “The Cherokee tell us, that when they first arrived in the country which they inhabit, they found it possessed by certain ‘moon-eyed people,’ who could not see in the day-time. These wretches they expelled.” He seems to consider them an albino race.* Haywood, twenty-six years later, says that the invading Cherokee found “white people” near the head of the Little Tennessee, with forts extending thence down the Tennessee as far as Chickamauga creek. He gives the location of three of these forts. The Cherokee made war against them and drove them to the mouth of Big Chickamauga creek, where they entered into a treaty and agreed to remove if permitted to depart in peace. Permission being granted, they abandoned the country. Elsewhere he speaks of this extirpated white race as having extended into Kentucky and probably also into western Tennessee, according to the concurrent traditions of different tribes.” (Mooney 1902 pg. 22)

“An old Indian, in conversation with Colonel James F. Moore, of Kentucky, informed him that the western country, and particularly Kentucky, had once been inhabited by white people, but that they were exterminated by the Indians. That the last battle was fought at the falls of Ohio, and that the Indians succeeded in driving the Aborigines into a small island below the rapids, where the whole of them were cut to pieces.”
(M.H. Frost 1819; On the aborigines of the Western Countries)

Nice spin though

No David McKane, it is not a spin. You have misused a source and are promoting it to mean something different from what it actually says. Let's deal with that one particular quote that you misused. You quoted it, not me. But will you honestly deal with your mistake? Just like when you use known hoax artifacts and I call you out, you try to divert from it by bringing up authentic ones (which you then misrepresent) instead of actually dealing with the problem.

In this case, each of your other sources can likewise be analyzed. They have been by scholars for many years now and the conclusion is that there was no ancient race of whites in America. Your sources do not hold up. But like I said, let's deal with that one particular quote that is actually in reference to the early colonists of the Ronoak. Will you admit this truth and stop using that source?

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Native tradition is that they killed off a white race of Indian.

David McKane, that is not an American Indian tradition. It is in fact a claim made today by racist white supremacists.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... le-bristow

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is trying to tone down the racism in the pages of the Book of Mormon. Your efforts are working against that David McKane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FPlHot8QQk

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Native tradition is that they killed off a white race of Indian.

David McKane, that is not an American Indian tradition. It is in fact a claim made today by racist white supremacists.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... le-bristow

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is trying to tone down the racism in the pages of the Book of Mormon. Your efforts are working against that David McKane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FPlHot8QQk

So you want to say all these quotes are made by racist. If that is the only way you can justify it. Then by all means go ahead. I have no reason to believe that these historians are lying. I just think you are biased against the church.

You would have to show some evidence besides your own bias.

Thayendanegea Biography is a well trusted biography. There is evidence he or his biographer are racist and liars. Same case for the others. At this point you think everybody are racist even scientist when they use the caucasian word.

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Native tradition is that they killed off a white race of Indian.

David McKane, that is not an American Indian tradition. It is in fact a claim made today by racist white supremacists.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... le-bristow

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is trying to tone down the racism in the pages of the Book of Mormon. Your efforts are working against that David McKane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FPlHot8QQk[/quote]

So you want to say all these quotes are made by racist. If that is the only way you can justify it. Then by all means go ahead. I have no reason to believe that these historians are lying. I just think you are biased against the church.

What I am saying is that promoting that idea today is racist. It is a dangerous idea as well. Why would you want to have your ideas and claims be in-line with and associated to white extremists? My opinions about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has nothing to do with calling you out on your racism. If you have been paying attention, my position on the LDS church efforts to tone down the historical racism of the church are in its favor. It is you who is working against it.

And how about the Roanoke quote? Are you going to quit using that?

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Thayendanegea Biography is a well trusted biography. There is evidence he or his biographer are racist and liars. Same case for the others. At this point you think everybody are racist even scientist when they use the caucasian word.

David McKane, I have explained numerous times to you that the word caucasian is no longer used by scientists in the way you are using it. What don't you understand about that? Your continued use of it in the manner that that you are doing it, by quoting older journal reports and applying it now is wrong and racist.

[_bomgeography]

Thayendanegea Biography is a well trusted biography. There is evidence he or his biographer are racist and liars. Same case for the others. At this point you think everybody are racist even scientist when they use the caucasian word.

David McKane, I have explained numerous times to you that the word caucasian is no longer used by scientists in the way you are using it. What don't you understand about that? Your continued use of it in the manner that that you are doing it, by quoting older journal reports and applying it now is wrong and needs to stop.

Is this your opinion or a real thing.

Give a reference by scientist

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Is this your opinion or a real thing.

Give a reference by scientist

I gave you references on previous posts and you must have ignored them. I also listed all of the publications you are using when you do this and gave their dates and showed that later publications no longer use it. David, if I take the time to list all of this and the links again, will you dedicate time and effort to study them? Because this question and request of yours makes me think I wasted my time before.

[_bomgeography]

Is this your opinion or a real thing.

Give a reference by scientist

I gave you references on previous posts and you must have ignored them. I also listed all of the publications you are using when you do this and gave their dates and showed that later publications no longer use it. David, if I take the time to list all of this and the links again, will you dedicate time and effort to study them? Because this question and request of yours makes me think I wasted my time before.

I did not see it could you post it please

[_bomgeography]

I could not find a scientific referendum on the word caucasian. I found a bunch of angry bloggers though. But anything from scientist nope.