The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

[_Franktalk]

And Jesus said concerning the Kingdom of God:

Luk 13:19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.
Luk 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
Luk 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

In here the tree is the earth and the fowls of the air represent evil in many forms. So the tree can be infested with evil which is separate from the tree. In the next view leaven which is normally viewed as sin is actually describing how evil or good can spread over the entire Kingdom. In the end times evil will spread over the entire earth. But after Christ return then evil will be placed under the rule of a rod of iron. Even then after 1000 years Satan will again be able to form an army to march against Christ. But evil can be pushed aside by the power of Christ. So to we are to brush aside evil as Christ showed us.

Although the New Earth will be a great place I am not so sure that evil will be gone. I think it will be gone for those who choose to push it aside. For those it appears there will be places where evil can not go. In Daniel 9 it states that after the 70th week there will be no sin. But the prophecy is limited to Jerusalem and the Jews. So does this mean evil will always be with us? I think it does mean that. But I do believe we can grow to a point where evil has no power over us. This is when we do the will of the Father in all things.

[_Franktalk]

Can we view layers of heaven as representative of layers of man as a type? There may be some connection. So I will just speculate about such things not knowling if they are true.

On the earth we have the set of man. Next we have the chosen people. Next we have the believers within the chosen people and those grafted in by faith. Then we disciples. Then we have Apostles. Then we have the inner group, Peter, James, and John. Then we have the beloved of God which is Daniel and John. This makes seven layers. Now I ask myself if this is a pattern on earth for us to see and is this patterned after a structure in heaven?

Some believe there are seven layers of heaven. I would be surprised if there were not seven layers. And seven layers inside of those layers. That of course brings us to 49. But 50 is unique in Jewish tradition. Can this be a place where Father only can go? Just some thoughts.

[_sheryl]

Can we view layers of heaven as representative of layers of man as a type? There may be some connection. So I will just speculate about such things not knowling if they are true.

On the earth we have the set of man. Next we have the chosen people. Next we have the believers within the chosen people and those grafted in by faith. Then we disciples. Then we have Apostles. Then we have the inner group, Peter, James, and John. Then we have the beloved of God which is Daniel and John. This makes seven layers. Now I ask myself if this is a pattern on earth for us to see and is this patterned after a structure in heaven?

Some believe there are seven layers of heaven. I would be surprised if there were not seven layers. And seven layers inside of those layers. That of course brings us to 49. But 50 is unique in Jewish tradition. Can this be a place where Father only can go? Just some thoughts.

Indeed Frank, seven is significant! Not just in the Judaic/Christian tradition, but also in many other traditions.

There are seven layers of each person, seven layers of celestial bodies, seven layers of heaven. Seven means completion - pointing to a completion of a cycle of purification, and so seven times seven is the completion of all cycles of purification. After the cycles of completion is the 'World-to-Come' in Judaism, the 8th Heaven in my tradition. This is indeed the Father and can only be reached through ascension. The Father is transcendent of his creation, but in reality, what Yeshua/Jesus revealed, is that the Father is within and behind all heavens, all layers. So one can look at it as a ladder (Jacob's ladder for example upon which the Angels ascended and descended), or one can look at as the essence and Source of all things.

The 8th heaven is like the pure light before it passes through a prism and becomes - what do ya, know, seven colors making a rainbow. Each heaven is associated with one of those colors.

And yes, it is layers of 'Man'. We are comprised of these same seven layers. Eastern traditions call them chakras, we call them energy centers - layers of us that must be purified so that the 'rainbow' is united, integrated, perfected as a single Unity.

To put these energy centers into something everyone can grasp, we are talking about layers of our emotional or vital body and mental body, and supramental (before mental) body.

When we have been perfected, we are 'Jacob's Ladder, a True Human, the Human One, upon and within whom the Angels ascend and descend through the heavens, for when we are perfected, our 'bodies' connect all the heavens.

Now as far as groups of people represented different layers eternally, indeed this is true, for groups of people will reflect different levels of perfecting or purification. If I might direct you to the temple of the Old Testament, and surely the Mormon Temple has tried to reflect this teaching as well.

In fact if we look at what was revealed through Moses, much mystery was pointed to, particularly the mysteries that we are speaking about here. If we consider the layout of the Old Testament Temples, we will see that the physical structure looks very much like a human body, and the layers of functioning reflecting our journey to salvation, through our selves from the outer court to the Holy of Holies, the outer court being representative of the first heaven or first layer, the Holy of Holies the 8th.

Remember the Paul taught that we are the temples, so it would be logical that God was working to reveal this in the temple designs that he gave our fathers. In fact, my friend, you might be very surprised if you search with the key words that are arising in your thoughts through the mystical aspects of not only Judaism/Christianity, but all of our world's religions, you will find that they are all saying the same thing.

Here are a couple of images for you to consider:









There are many mysteries pointed at in the Bible with numbers, not just seven - 12 tribes/disciples, 13 mercies/gates, etc. This are not simple numbers, marking a counting of years, etc, They are pointing to mysteries!

Back to 49 and 50, there are at least two places we find this in the Judaic tradition, one is the year of jubilee. Every 50 years, everything is set free and all debt forgiven. A full influx of Mercy!

The 49 days in between Passover and Shavout - the 50th day after Passover is Shavout. the 50th day after being set free, there was a full influx of mercy! [We teach that on this day, the Messiah was suppose to incarnate, but Israel showed that humanity was not ready.] This points to our freedom being the beginning of the process of perfection leading to our ultimate salvation - through countless cycles of purification - 7x7.

I pray that you find much pleasure in researching all this!

Shabbat Shalom!

Sheryl

[_ludwigm]

seven is significant! Not just in the Judaic/Christian tradition, but also in many other traditions.

There are seven layers of each person, seven layers of celestial bodies, seven layers of heaven.

Please don't forget the Seven Deadly Sins:
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[_jo1952]

There are seven layers of each person, seven layers of celestial bodies, seven layers of heaven. Seven means completion - pointing to a completion of a cycle of purification, and so seven times seven is the completion of all cycles of purification. After the cycles of completion is the 'World-to-Come' in Judaism, the 8th Heaven in my tradition. This is indeed the Father and can only be reached through ascension. The Father is transcendent of his creation, but in reality, what Yeshua/Jesus revealed, is that the Father is within and behind all heavens, all layers. So one can look at it as a ladder (Jacob's ladder for example upon which the Angels ascended and descended), or one can look at as the essence and Source of all things.

The 8th heaven is like the pure light before it passes through a prism and becomes - what do ya, know, seven colors making a rainbow. Each heaven is associated with one of those colors.

And yes, it is layers of 'Man'. We are comprised of these same seven layers. Eastern traditions call them chakras, we call them energy centers - layers of us that must be purified so that the 'rainbow' is united, integrated, perfected as a single Unity.

To put these energy centers into something everyone can grasp, we are talking about layers of our emotional or vital body and mental body, and supramental (before mental) body.

When we have been perfected, we are 'Jacob's Ladder, a True Human, the Human One, upon and within whom the Angels ascend and descend through the heavens, for when we are perfected, our 'bodies' connect all the heavens.

Now as far as groups of people represented different layers eternally, indeed this is true, for groups of people will reflect different levels of perfecting or purification. If I might direct you to the temple of the Old Testament, and surely the Mormon Temple has tried to reflect this teaching as well.

In fact if we look at what was revealed through Moses, much mystery was pointed to, particularly the mysteries that we are speaking about here. If we consider the layout of the Old Testament Temples, we will see that the physical structure looks very much like a human body, and the layers of functioning reflecting our journey to salvation, through our selves from the outer court to the Holy of Holies, the outer court being representative of the first heaven or first layer, the Holy of Holies the 8th.

Remember the Paul taught that we are the temples, so it would be logical that God was working to reveal this in the temple designs that he gave our fathers. In fact, my friend, you might be very surprised if you search with the key words that are arising in your thoughts through the mystical aspects of not only Judaism/Christianity, but all of our world's religions, you will find that they are all saying the same thing.

Shabbat Shalom!

Sheryl

Hello Sheryl,

Thank you so much for sharing this!

Even as a child, I never sensed any problems with a world (our earth) filled with so many different religions/world religions. I always believed these people, though they might be different because of the circumstances of where they were born, also believed in God. As I have gotten older and have had time to study at least some of the basics of their beliefs, I could not help but notice the similarities between them. Whereas some people look at religions other than their own and accuse the others of being false, I see the similarities and recognize that this is a reflection of Truth. Now, some will see this as blasphemy or heresy on my part; my spirit disagrees with them. It is no coincidence there are so many similarities. I do not believe in coincidence.

Shabbat Shalom!

Love,

jo

[_jo1952]

Ludwigm,

I love you!

jo

[_gdemetz]

Albion, you are deceiving yourself! Those good ole boys are not about to give up the drinking, etc., etc., etc., and truly follow the commandments of Christ! How many have I known and how many of their churches have I attended, but the sure want to hear that they can be saved anyway! That's why they will support that priestcraft by giving it a little of their money, just so it's not their beer money!

[_ludwigm]

Ludwigm,

I love you!

jo

It is mutual.

[_sheryl]

Hello Sheryl,

Thank you so much for sharing this!

Even as a child, I never sensed any problems with a world (our earth) filled with so many different religions/world religions. I always believed these people, though they might be different because of the circumstances of where they were born, also believed in God. As I have gotten older and have had time to study at least some of the basics of their beliefs, I could not help but notice the similarities between them. Whereas some people look at religions other than their own and accuse the others of being false, I see the similarities and recognize that this is a reflection of Truth. Now, some will see this as blasphemy or heresy on my part; my spirit disagrees with them. It is no coincidence there are so many similarities. I do not believe in coincidence.

Shabbat Shalom!

Love,

jo

Indeed, Sister!

To declare that because the Messiah was born in the Judaic line, this invalidates all other world religions is arrogant, and foolish!

The Messiah had to be born to one culture, one religious tradition, and many souls labored hundreds of years to make that happen within the spiritual tradition founded by Moses. And the children of Israel had a lot of stuff 'wrong'. They had distorted and wrong understandings, yet the Messiah was born among them.

The Messiah was born among them, not for them, but for the entire world - for all religious traditions, and it did not mean that everyone had to abandon the religion of their culture to know and receive the Messiah.

The problem arises because often it is taught that the Messiah is the historical figure Jesus, or Yeshua. Yeshua was the vehicle or temple through which the Messiah incarnated and can be known without ever having heard of the historical figure Yeshua. Because the Messiah was able to take on physical embodiment of this world, that means that it is grounded here via the spiritual realms, for all to find.

The Messiah is the living Presence of God or the Divine in this world.

Shalom!

Sheryl