Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

[_Harold Lee]

It's not all about you drifting, god get over yourself... ;)

[_Drifting]

It's not all about you drifting, god get over yourself... ;)

When we lived as spirit children with our heavenly parents, our Heavenly Father told us about His plan for us to become more like Him. We shouted for joy when we heard His plan (see Job 38:7). We were eager for new experiences. In order for these things to happen, we needed to leave our Father’s presence and receive mortal bodies. We needed another place to live where we could prepare to become like Him. Our new home was called earth.

http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-princi ... n?lang=eng

Hmmm, this sounds like it is all about us; what we do; what we learn; what we choose; how we behave; etc.

In fact, it's ALL about us...and if we fail, it's because God hasn't done a good enough job of convincing us, teaching us, preparing us etc.

But hey, God already knows the results so I don't need to worry about it.

[_LittleNipper]

It's not all about you drifting, god get over yourself... ;)

When we lived as spirit children with our heavenly parents, our Heavenly Father told us about His plan for us to become more like Him. We shouted for joy when we heard His plan (see Job 38:7). We were eager for new experiences. In order for these things to happen, we needed to leave our Father’s presence and receive mortal bodies. We needed another place to live where we could prepare to become like Him. Our new home was called earth.

http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-princi ... n?lang=eng

Hmmm, this sounds like it is all about us; what we do; what we learn; what we choose; how we behave; etc.

In fact, it's ALL about us...and if we fail, it's because God hasn't done a good enough job of convincing us, teaching us, preparing us etc.

But hey, God already knows the results so I don't need to worry about it.

Just another reason Momonism is not Christianity.

[_Molok]

When a man who has everything and has done everything for himself, suddenly finds himself faced with the fact that he may likely die soon, I really doubt that he doesn't seek God in those final moments. Anyway, churches were filled with visitors the days and weeks and months following 9/11.

If you really believed this, why haven't you blown up anything? Sounds like that would be the quickest way to spread God's kingdom. A hell of a lot faster than door to door, anyhow.

[_ludwigm]

You know what the issue is? YOU want god to mirror Y-O-U! It is all about Y-O-U. What YOU want. What YOU expect. What is important for YOU. Sorry! God is not in YOUR image. We were created in His. People die and go to hell every day thinking about no one but themselves their entire lives through. How smart they are, how good they look, how much money they can get, how famous they can become, what car they drive, how sexy they are to others and how well they perform... One might be rich and powerful and full of himself. It is only when one says to GOD, "I can do nothing without you, please help me." This is when God enters the picture and embraces that individual. Life is all about what GOD wants. The sooner one understands that, the sooner one will begin to mature. Until then ---- one just might just fully imagine that "Russians wins." But in eternity ---- do they really..?

whaddya say, man ???

“Act like a lunatic and you are inscrutable for ever. Abracadabra, Mene Tekel Upharsin, Pape Satan Pape Satan Aleppe, le vierge vivace et le bel auhourd’hui. Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message.”

[_LittleNipper]

When a man who has everything and has done everything for himself, suddenly finds himself faced with the fact that he may likely die soon, I really doubt that he doesn't seek God in those final moments. Anyway, churches were filled with visitors the days and weeks and months following 9/11.

If you really believed this, why haven't you blown up anything? Sounds like that would be the quickest way to spread God's kingdom. A hell of a lot faster than door to door, anyhow.

I do not believe in blowing up things. That doesn't mean the God doesn't allow seemingly terrible things to happen in order to educate and punish. There are plenty of people who'd love to blow up things (including the devil himself); however, I feel a loving God protects us from most of this by keeping things in check.

[_Molok]

I do not believe in blowing up things. That doesn't mean the God doesn't allow seemingly terrible things to happen in order to educate and punish. There are plenty of people who'd love to blow up things (including the devil himself);

So if the benefit of bringing souls to Christ doesn't outweigh the losses that come with a terrible tragedy like 9/11, why are you talking about God using them as lessons? If I burned down your house to teach you how to build a tent, would you still care about the lessons that you're learning?

however, I feel a loving God protects us from most of this by keeping things in check.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here; are you saying that, in your opinion, there would be numerous other tradgedies like 9/11 and OKC bombing, but God has stopped most of them?

[Guest]

I do not believe in blowing up things. That doesn't mean the God doesn't allow seemingly terrible things to happen in order to educate and punish. There are plenty of people who'd love to blow up things (including the devil himself);

So if the benefit of bringing souls to Christ doesn't outweigh the losses that come with a terrible tragedy like 9/11, why are you talking about God using them as lessons? If I burned down your house to teach you how to build a tent, would you still care about the lessons that you're learning?

however, I feel a loving God protects us from most of this by keeping things in check.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here; are you saying that, in your opinion, there would be numerous other tradgedies like 9/11 and OKC bombing, but God has stopped most of them?

Well, have you ever read the book of Job. Satan all but destroys Job, and yet Job and his friends all learn a valuble lesson. And, Yes I do believe that man (especially believers) have been often spared terrible events for their sake. Had 10 righteous people lived in the cities of the plain, God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah. Had the Titanic not been so "unsinkable that God Himself couldn't sink it" ----- perhaps God would have spared the Iceberg. Say you're driving down the road and a car suddenly swerves into your lane and a truck is coming towards you. Somehow an accident is averted. Do you really believe that such things are mere coincidences. I certainly do not. I believe God had a hand in offering protection.

[_PrickKicker]

Can you please share with everyone else this 'valuable lesson,' as I don't see it.

Apart from: "Here is agency, use it to do my will or I kill you!"

[_LittleNipper]

Can you please share with everyone else this 'valuable lesson,' as I don't see it.

Apart from: "Here is agency, use it to do my will or I kill you!"

For one Job and his friends learned that bad things do happen to "good" people. Bad events are not always the direct result of one's own sin. I suggest you re-read the book of Job.