Pornography Poll: Personal Issues

[_Buffalo]

The Science of Why Droopy Doesn't Believe Science

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03 ... ris-mooney

[_Corpsegrinder]

You see, subgenius, if she hadn't told you all of this, you never would have known it, would you?

What would we do in a world without liberals to educate us all about sex, drugs, rock n' roll, and and lava lamps.

This is like listening to a pair of twelve-year-old virgins discussing sex.

[_emilysmith]

I think this thread has really highlighted two people's personal issues with sex. I find it fascinating.

I don't understand the need to vilify sex in the way that is being done. Who cares what other people are doing with their bodies? Why is it anyone's business and why do you think it is your job to attempt to control the sex lives of other people?

Essentially, that is what you are doing by casting harsh judgements on homosexuality, masturbation and pornography.

I would hope that if you catch your partner masturbating to pornography, that, whatever your feelings on the issue are, you could have an open and honest dialogue about where you leave your prejudices at the door. If you are unable to do that, your sex life is suffering. I promise.

Sexual behavior has not changed at all in hundreds of thousands of years. We are just a bit better smelling and a have a little less hair than before. Perhaps there is a new kind of sexual revolution going on given the state of the Information Age, but pornography has forever been pushing technology along. If it wasn't for the desire to see porn, we would be 10 years behind with streaming video, online transactions, and compressed images. Some of the most popular literature after the printing press was invented was erotic in nature. What do you think people were doing with the first portable cameras? VHS? DVD?

When I was living in London, I was somewhat shocked to see their former drug czar on the news stating, matter of factly, that pharmaceutically pure heroin is perfectly safe. You know what? He was right. FAR more people are dying from over the counter drugs than heroin and the heroin that people die from is mixed with other stuff, making it difficult to judge dosage properly.

It turns out, I had a great deal of illusions regarding heroin and other drugs. The facts don't support the point of view of the overzealous. If we were to treat everything equally and ban things according to how dangerous they were, hamburgers, automobiles, acetaminophen, cigarettes, alcohol and peanuts would all have to be higher on the list than heroin.

It is much the same with pornography. It is dangerous in your point of view, but that isn't necessarily the reality of things. Your own personal culture has villainized sex in a very unhealthy way. Sure, there are plenty of sexual activities that I wouldn't recommend, just as I wouldn't recommend doing heroin, but I don't think anyone is justified in trying to ban these things because of religious or a narrow point of view derived from a small subset of a subset of a culture. If you think you are with the majority in your dislike of porn, open your eyes. Most people like some kind of porn and everyone has their (metaphorical) heroin.

In the end, you aren't saving anyone by trying to push a narrow minded point of view. If I understand it correctly, the only saving and judging that goes on is to be done by powers greater than yourselves. If you find yourself disapproving of God's methods and how the world is working out, we aren't the ones you should be addressing.

[_Darth J]

Now we come to "social science," which isn't "science" at all in the sense of the natural or hard sciences, and within which theory, speculation, and frequently, personal ideology overwhelmingly dominate the various fields which, by their very nature and the nature of the subject matter of their study, are not amenable to the kinds of scientific methodology as are the objects of study in the natural world.

VS.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger has a Ph.D. in Physiology from Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons, and did post-doctoral work in Marriage, Family, and Child Counseling the University of Southern California. She was on the faculty of USC and Pepperdine.

I think Dr. Schlessinger is more than qualified to critique the work of Kinsey.

How can she be qualified to critique anything, given that her post-doctoral work is all about theory, speculation and, frequently, personal ideology?

[_Darth J]

You see, subgenius, if she hadn't told you all of this, you never would have known it, would you?

What would we do in a world without liberals to educate us all about sex, drugs, rock n' roll, and and lava lamps.

This is like listening to a pair of twelve-year-old virgins discussing sex.

It's more like listening to a pair of twelve year-old virgins lecturing to married adults about sex.

[_Darth J]

Has anyone else noticed that Droopy fawns over the qualifications of educated people when they agree with his personal value judgments, but despises higher education when educated people disagree with his personal value judgments?

[_Buffalo]

Has anyone else noticed that Droopy fawns over the qualifications of educated people when they agree with his personal value judgments, but despises higher education when educated people disagree with his personal value judgments?

Oh yes. An expert is only an expert so long as they don't contradict Droopy's Birchian world view.

[_Darth J]

Has anyone else noticed that Droopy fawns over the qualifications of educated people when they agree with his personal value judgments, but despises higher education when educated people disagree with his personal value judgments?

Oh yes. An expert is only an expert so long as they don't contradict Droopy's Birchian world view.

Why, Buffalo: whatever do you mean by this John Birch reference?

Don't you remember that this person who is obsessively telling everyone who believes in freedom of expression that they are leftists is a self-described libertarian?

What could be more libertarian than the notion that if you believe that people have the right of free expression, it means you tacitly endorse whatever way people use that freedom?

[_Tarski]

Has anyone else noticed that Droopy fawns over the qualifications of educated people when they agree with his personal value judgments, but despises higher education when educated people disagree with his personal value judgments?

yes

[_emilysmith]

In 1998, Schlessinger's early radio mentor, Bill Ballance, sold nude photos that he had taken of Schlessinger in the mid-1970s to a company specializing in internet porn. The photos were taken while Schlessinger was involved in a brief affair with then-married Bill Ballance.[78][79] Schlessinger sued after the photos were posted on the internet, claiming invasion of privacy and copyright violation. The court ruled that Schlessinger did not own the rights to the photos, and she did not appeal the ruling.[80] She told her radio audience that she was embarrassed, but that the photos were taken when she was going through a divorce and had "no moral authority."