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[_gdemetz]

No, I am not very concerned with his younger "glass looking" days. However, there are numerous mentions of these "spiritual" marriages on the FAIR site. You haven't seen them?

[_Themis]

No, I am not very concerned with his younger "glass looking" days. However, there are numerous mentions of these "spiritual" marriages on the FAIR site. You haven't seen them?

Well show your evidence that Joseph viewed some marriages in a different way. Just becuase fair uses the term spiritual does not show Joseph thought some of his marriages were different then others even if if never intended to have sex with some of them. Fair or the tanners site making assertion do not evidence make. You need to show things like historical statements by Joseph or others involved that he viewed these marriages differently. We have shown evidence that Joseph and BY had sex with married women.

[_gdemetz]

Themis, just look at the site, it explains it. I don't need to prove anything. As far as I'm concerned, and as far as any fair court of law is concerned, Joseph is innocent until proven guilty.

[_Themis]

Themis, just look at the site, it explains it. I don't need to prove anything. As far as I'm concerned, and as far as any fair court of law is concerned, Joseph is innocent until proven guilty.

Your making the assertion, so it is your responsibility to back it up. If you really had the evidence I think you would have already shown it. This is the ploy of those who don't have the evidnece. Then they will just continue to assert that it is there.

[_gdemetz]

Where is your evidence, Themis?

[_Drifting]

Where is your evidence, Themis?

Thanks for confirming Themis suspicions about your complete lack of anything tangible in support of your personal speculation and opinion.

[_Themis]

Where is your evidence, Themis?

You made the assertion. How am I supposed to provide evidence for something I have no evidence for, which is that Joseph viewed some marriages differently then others. I think you are now dodging this since you really only have fair and farm assertions without evidence. Maybe you did not realize that their assertions do not constitute evidence. You accepted that one wife (Sylvia) said to only one daughter that she was the daughter of Joseph. I am not aware she said this to any other child, which would make sense to if she had never had sex with Joseph and was only a marriage for the next life. Then all the children would be Joseph's. She only told the one who was a candidate to be Joseph's biological daughter. I also brought up BY but you have ignored this consistently. Maybe now you understand better some of the reasons this bothers many members. Many do not accept some of the bad apologia of fair and farms, even though we want the church to be true.

[_gdemetz]

Just how would you expect me to prove this negative? It would be like being in a court of law and being asked to prove your innocence of a crime when there is no evidence of your guilt just because you were alone and had no alibi!

[_Themis]

Just how would you expect me to prove this negative? It would be like being in a court of law and being asked to prove your innocence of a crime when there is no evidence of your guilt just because you were alone and had no alibi!

Not sure what you think is the negative. We have established that Joseph was married to both single and married women. Some, including yourself want to assert that his marriage to the married ones was different then the marriage to the single ones. I assume you thought you had evidence for such. I guess your last post is an admission that you do not have evidence. As such there is no reason to think he did. Since if this was true then there would also not be a need for such secrecy, and we see nothing from Joseph or those around him including his wives of your assertion. Worst of all is we see evidence that there was sex going on. You still have not dealt with BY and Zina. I'm sorry if it bothers you, but then that is one of the things that bothers many members.

[_gdemetz]

I have read about these marriages, but frankly don't remember all the names , dates, and circumstances, however, if you are interested, look under "polyandrous" marriages of Joseph Smith in FAIR.