Fables vs. Restored Truths

[_gdemetz]

Guys! You don't have to go back as far as the flood to know these things! Even many secularist know when many of the Biblical prophets lived! And, Buffalo, yes, many of the prophesies do relate to Christ's second coming as the Messiah of Israel, however, you can't tell me that prophesies such as, "they pierced my hands and feet," didn't apply to Chris's first coming!

[_Drifting]

You may refer to any Biblical Chronology, or you may refer to the Chronological Tables in the Bible dictionary section of the LDS scriptures. However, it is not as large and detailed as some other Biblical chronological works.

And why do you believe those Chronologies - what is the specific evidence that compels you to accept that the Old Testament was actually written before the time of Christ?

[_Darth J]

Also, try reading the scriptures more, and, in particular, the words of Christ and His apostles, and see what He and they think of the Old Testament writings which you consider to be fables.

Of course magic is real! Try reading the Harry Potter books. The characters in the Harry Potter books believe in magic!

[_Darth J]

Yes, that's true, but I don't think that applied to the sea creatures, or those that could survive in the seas such as amphibians, etc.

What you do is go pour a bunch of salt into your freshwater fish tank. Or, if you have a tropical fish tank, go pour a bunch of fresh water into it. Then you might start to get an idea of how the changes in water salinity that would be caused by a global flood would have "applied" to the sea creatures.

Or, if you don't want to kill a bunch of fish just to prove how confident you are about your assertions in this thread, you can read this: http://carumbasblog.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... d-not.html

And just so we're clear: you are postulating that newts and frogs and stuff just treaded water in the open ocean for a year? Because if a land animal can swim, it can just survive in water indefinitely, right?

So, if there were some land animals who were not on the ark, or at least led to a place other than the "face of the earth," possibly a place with high mountains that weren't covered by water, then they would have been destroyed.

And that's how the kangaroos got to Australia.

[_gdemetz]

I'm sorry, but you really have to be very ignorant to not know that the Old Testament was written earlier especially since these records were handed down from generation to generation! And, as far as all the scientific evidences for or against a great flood is concerned, I will just state that there are a lot of PHD's in various sciences who would disagree with you if you try to assert that their was no such event! Christ would disagree with you also, by the way!

[Guest]

And, as far as all the scientific evidences for or against a great flood is concerned, I will just state that there are a lot of PHD's in various sciences who would disagree with you if you try to assert that their was no such event!

See: Crank

Christ would disagree with you also, by the way!

See: Begging the question

[_gdemetz]

In my opinion, I think that it is somewhat hypocritical for members of the church to say that we accept prophets and believe in the scriptures, and then turn around and say that we don't need to believe some scriptures to be a good LDS! A great flood which at least was great enough to destroy all but eight humans as well as most other animal life, at least on land, is scripture, and it is spoken of by Christ and the apostles in the New Testament. In my opinion also, the church has become much too apologetic! I am not saying that I believe that there was an entire global flood, but I do believe that there was a great flood.

[_Darth J]

In my opinion, I think that it is somewhat hypocritical for members of the church to say that we accept prophets and believe in the scriptures, and then turn around and say that we don't need to believe some scriptures to be a good LDS! A great flood which at least was great enough to destroy all but eight humans as well as most other animal life, at least on land, is scripture, and it is spoken of by Christ and the apostles in the New Testament. In my opinion also, the church has become much too apologetic! I am not saying that I believe that there was an entire global flood, but I do believe that there was a great flood.

Then you're part of the hypocrisy you've identified, because the Church does teach that there was "an entire global flood."

http://www.LDS.org/ensign/1998/01/the-f ... l?lang=eng

[_gdemetz]

I didn't say that I did NOT believe global flood!!!

[_Darth J]

I didn't say that I did NOT believe global flood!!!

You didn't say you did, either.

So, do you think that things like water salinity and tidal forces might possibly have "applied" to marine life in this great and/or global flood, in which newts treaded water for a year in the open ocean?