gdemetz wrote:Don't worry FrankTalk, that is only according to Themis' uninspired version of scripture.
I wonder sometimes when I come across a person who say they believe in God yet refuse to allow God to perform miracles. It is like God is just like everyone else He just has a different name tag that says "God".
I know, those damn Haitians and Japenese not allowing God to keep them alive... Those damn children not allowing God to save them from abuse...
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gdemetz wrote:Don't worry FrankTalk, that is only according to Themis' uninspired version of scripture.
I wonder sometimes when I come across a person who say they believe in God yet refuse to allow God to perform miracles. It is like God is just like everyone else He just has a different name tag that says "God".
Jesus is welcome to come back to planet earth and show his face anytime in front of all the people. It's been over 2000 years since his first visit and his second visit seems less and less likely. In another 2000 years there will still be people waiting, believing that he died for their mistakes in life. How sad. Belief in the Son of God who saves people by his blood sacrifice is outrageous. It's the greatest cult ever invented by mankind so far.
The stories of the Bible are truly amazing, but not in a good way. Jonah gets eaten by a whale. Jesus bleeds for you and me. The whole thing is just sick.
Shulem wrote:It appears that you don't. But every Mormon who professes Joseph Smith to be a translator and a prophet should at least have some amount of concern as to why there is no king's name. The General Authorities don't discuss it. Members don't like to think about it.
Man has a hard time getting anything right. Our history is one of those things which we twist all over the place. We have very little data and what was written is filled with agenda driven junk. So scripture does not reference some leaders names. But other ones it does.
For a good analysis of Egypt chronology and how it relates to scripture I enjoyed this work:
Buffalo wrote:Does anyone actually take the Jonah and the whale story literally? I never did, even as a kid. It's obvious fiction.
I do. I take everything in scripture literally unless it is obvious I should not. And that obvious reference comes from scripture as well. Not some man made opinion.
It's amazing to me. I feel like you'd have to live in an alternate reality to accept something like that as even possibly literally true.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
gdemetz wrote:Don't worry FrankTalk, that is only according to Themis' uninspired version of scripture.
That's the only version out there, but I never claimed to be any more inspired by a divine being then the ones who wrote the texts you guys consider to be scripture.
Buffalo wrote:When it comes to the Book of Abraham, Joseph certainly got everything wrong. Any fraud could do the same.
It certainly doesn't look good for Facsimile No. 3. I don't see any LDS apologists in here trying to defend it. They can't and they know it. All they can do is shove it on the back burner and keep their faith alive over the good feelings they've had when thinking about their religion as if the holy ghost revealed it. Well, I've had more holy ghosty feelings since leaving the church than all the time I was in it. I'm not just saying that. I'm being serious, I swear it. I've had more warm, peaceful, and loving feelings while dwelling about how rediculous Mormonism is since leaving the church than I had regarding those good feelings when in it trying to maintain the faith. It's really amazing. I never would have imagined how miserable I was living as a Mormon while along putting faith into dead things.
Now, I'm, alive! It's joy. It just makes me sometimes want to cry. But I rarely cry. It's just not my nature.
[ ] I believe the Bible regarding Jonah and the Whale [x] I don't believe the Bible regarding Jonah and the Whale [ ] I believe the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are true [x] I don't believe the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are true
Franktalk wrote:I wonder sometimes when I come across a person who say they believe in God yet refuse to allow God to perform miracles. It is like God is just like everyone else He just has a different name tag that says "God".
Maybe they just think about it a little longer. With the Flood story many realize there is no evidence for, which is a big one since we should wee a mountain of evidence pointing to this. As part of a miracle do we really believe God is going to cover up his tracks after, which means putting everything back to the way it was. This means putting all the animals and humans back right after, so we see all this evidence they never went anywhere. For Jonah you would need to change the biology of the whale to make the story plausible. In the end some just realize the Bible comes to us through men and imperfect ways. As such they realize that the story's are not necessarily going to be accurate, so they use their brains to think that some of the story's are not accurate or even meant to be accurate, but as metaphor. It's not as though you can trace these story's back to God, and the spiritual does have a good track record of telling everyone the same thing, but for some like frank, they are to busy thinking they must be right.
Was it easier to say "thy sins be forgiven thee,"take up thy bad and walk,"heal a blind person, or have a whale swallow a man? Shulem, you seem to be hungup over that Egyptian king, or whatever. Why don't you see what FAIR has to say about that?!
gdemetz wrote:Was it easier to say "thy sins be forgiven thee,
That one is easy. Most of us are doing it ali the time. We forgive you of your sins.
"take up thy bad and walk,"heal a blind person,
Charlatans are doing this as well, or at least claiming to just like those who write about Jesus even though they were never there.
or have a whale swallow a man?
You would think God could come up with some other plan then needing to change the body of a whale, but then those making up the story probably thought it was possible.
Shulem, you seem to be hungup over that Egyptian king, or whatever. Why don't you see what FAIR has to say about that?!
I believe he wrote some articles for fair and farms crew years ago when he was an apologist. Ouch So did Kevin G.
