Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

[_just me]

Do you believe that all those laws came directly from god?

How do you feel about the one where a raped woman must be purchased from her father by her rapist?

What do you think of the part that says he is stuck with her and may never divorce her?

I think laws that treat women as property valued by an intact hymen are misogynistic and disgusting. I think buying and selling women (or men) is deplorable.

Now, your turn to answer mine.

bump for lil nipper

[_subgenius]

This biblical story was an adaptation from some much older Mesopotamian Epics relating fanciful events from the seasonal flooding of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. The story still present us with some powerful symbolic truths about being prepared for disasters and keeping both your pants on when you are drunk and your temper in check when you have that inevitable hangover afterward.

Sounds like you are saying that a story not based on actual incidents can still have value. That would indicate we should not toss aside far fetched stories as being mythical and therefore worthless, right?

Nice speculation, but not really to the point...more of a loophole.
The biblical story having a different origin is not without a certain "parlor conversation" appeal but that assertion is just based on speculation considering a narrow scope of "scientific" facts. The larger scope of these facts show that this notion of a global flood has, in fact, been pervasive throughout several cultures across the globe. So, the assumption that the biblical flood is based on a mesopotamian epic is as justified as stating that it was based on the australian version, etc...
Yes, there are morals to the story, as there always is...but that dissection of the text is a symptom of the duality that science inherently presents itself to every human. In other words to distinguish a moral from the story is a tragic error that science often makes, because the feeble mind will then assume that the story and the moral must somehow be "separate" entities and thus one is neither influenced nor linked to the other....which is not the case...ever.
I have always found it interesting that science has accomplished an ever increasing strength with its mathematical concept of the atom...but a visual concept of the atom remains ever elusive and ever obscure.

[_Drifting]

Subby, do you believe the Flood happened, literally as described in the scriptures and why?

Bump...

[_Philo Sofee]

Who among you, believes that God exists? Who among you believes that Jesus gave up His soul and then arose from the dead? To believe everything else in the Bible is so much easier... I really don't get the mis-application of man's logic. God makes the learning of men seem pathetically lacking. I know where I am going to place my faith, and it isn't among the pharisees and sadducees of todays scientific community.

The Bible is a man made book. Who among us would give our daughters up to thugs so they can have sex with her as Lot did? One among many of the silly problems in that book.

[_Philo Sofee]

How do you feel about the one where a raped woman must be purchased from her father by her rapist?[/quote]
What do you think of the part that says he is stuck with her and may never divorce her?[/quote]

I think it shows a sad primitive mentality and mindset. Obviously social interaction was little known in the ancient world, why one earth would WE want to continue the Bible's immoral teachings on just about everything it talks about?

[_LittleNipper]

How do you feel about the one where a raped woman must be purchased from her father by her rapist?

What do you think of the part that says he is stuck with her and may never divorce her?[/quote]

I think laws that treat women as property valued by an intact hymen are misogynistic and disgusting. I think buying and selling women (or men) is deplorable.

Now, your turn to answer mine.[/quote]
I feel the LAW of Moses has been misunderstood. No loving father of a daughter would force his daughter to marry someone terrible. What woman character of the Bible was mistreated due to the Law?

[_moksha]

The larger scope of these facts show that this notion of a global flood has, in fact, been pervasive throughout several cultures across the globe. So, the assumption that the biblical flood is based on a mesopotamian epic is as justified as stating that it was based on the australian version, etc...

Seems like the idea of a big flood is archetypal to human experience. Floods happen and the imagination takes it from there. The points of similarity between the older Mesopotamian epics and the Bible story serve as indicators of origin but are definitely not proof. Joseph Campbell has pointed out that stories transmitted from one culture to another can have even older roots.

Yes, there are morals to the story, as there always is...but that dissection of the text is a symptom of the duality that science inherently presents itself to every human. In other words to distinguish a moral from the story is a tragic error that science often makes, because the feeble mind will then assume that the story and the moral must somehow be "separate" entities and thus one is neither influenced nor linked to the other....which is not the case...ever.

We should never forget that morals we glean from Grimm's Fairy Tales, stem directly from those tales. Scientists everywhere should take note of that and not keep saying otherwise!!!

[_bcuzbcuz]

There is a small set of people who hold to an expanding earth model. I happen to be one of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ&feature=related

Another example of a nonlinear past is found in the study of the earth's axis of rotation. Here is a good read about ancient measurements and how they indicate that the earth was shifted on its axis back in 2300 BC.

http://www.setterfield.org/Dodwell_Manuscript_1.html

Now one can accept that man made good observations back in time or one can say that all of their measurements were in error. But what is to stop future scientist from throwing out all that is done today? All of this tossing of data is to protect the holy shrine of uniformitarianism.

An expanding Earth? Well, if nothing else, you certainly enjoy playing by your own rules.

Venus is a close neighbor, almost the same sized planet as Earth. Can you find any data, anywhere, that can support the theory that Venus is expanding?? Mars has an easier surface to observe and is much smaller than Earth. Can you find any data, anywhere, that supports the theory that Mars is expanding? Or Mercury? Or the Moon?

Surely, if the Earth is expanding we would see similar expansion on our neighboring planets, No?

And what would cause this expansion? The center core getting warmer? Is there any evidence of such a heat increase, anywhere?

Or is Earth like a big helium balloon that keeps swelling from inner pressure, until,,,,, one day,,,, it will all go......KaBloooey!!!!!!! Like Krypton? Or Alderaan?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... Mimas1.jpg
Speaking of Alderaan. Let it be known that the Death Star IS complete! It is the Saturnian moon, Mimas! Here's proof.

[_Themis]

An expanding Earth? Well, if nothing else, you certainly enjoy playing by your own rules.

Venus is a close neighbor, almost the same sized planet as Earth. Can you find any data, anywhere, that can support the theory that Venus is expanding?? Mars has an easier surface to observe and is much smaller than Earth. Can you find any data, anywhere, that supports the theory that Mars is expanding? Or Mercury? Or the Moon?

Surely, if the Earth is expanding we would see similar expansion on our neighboring planets, No?

And what would cause this expansion? The center core getting warmer? Is there any evidence of such a heat increase, anywhere?

Or is Earth like a big helium balloon that keeps swelling from inner pressure, until,,,,, one day,,,, it will all go......KaBloooey!!!!!!! Like Krypton? Or Alderaan?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... Mimas1.jpg
Speaking of Alderaan. Let it be known that the Death Star IS complete! It is the Saturnian moon, Mimas! Here's proof.

Frank likes his pseudo science, even if he rejects most parts of it that don't fit what he has already concluded is the truth. The expanding earth still has earth being very old.

[_subgenius]

The Bible is a man made book. Who among us would give our daughters up to thugs so they can have sex with her as Lot did? One among many of the silly problems in that book.

a more naïve, narrow-minded, and uninformed opinion on the Bible has yet to be posted....anywhere.