Is God a Mormon?

[Guest]

I have thought about it , many many times .... with an open mind ... and it just makes no freakin sense , except that this god you describe is not a nice person.

But lets think about it shall we ...

So for this itty bitty span of time (the test of life) A christian gets this huge monumental reward of salvation for all eternity , But the fine print says you need to bow to god also (so hence no real freedom)
And for this itty bitty span of time ... Some one who questions god will get this huge monumental punishment of being damned for all eternity. But then its mentioned having a second death of their soul , so they will blink out of conciousness? (or hence real freedom , because then they won't be beholden to god for all eternity)

But then the book of revelations keeps talking like these depraved souls are still walking around after the lake of fire and second death ... they'er just not allowed into gods city (the box described in revelations chapter 21 verses 15,16 & 17) And if your familiar with a cubit ... that is going to be an itty bitty place to spend all of eternity ... is it not?

You know if you did some study on luciferian principles ... you would find that it is not equal to devil worship ... or worshiping deities period. But I doubt your closemindedness would allow you to study such things , unlike my openmindedness allows me to study the Bible.

People have never been sent to hell for questioning God. People go to hell because they presume self-righteousness. The atheist rejects God and salvation. He assumes that he himself is the inventor of "goodness." A "religious" person goes to hell as a result of holding to works as the means of attaining "their" form of godlyness. Abraham questioned God. Job did also --- as did Moses. Look at Timothy, he questioned the resurrection of Christ. It is when men reject God's salvation plan that upon death they are held accountable for their own transgressions.

[_LittleNipper]

The New Jerusalem is but one place on a new planet, in a new universe.

[_ludwigm]

The possiblity that 66 books might be written over thousands of years by the hand of many individuals from various backgrounds in full agreement without the guidance of God is entirely impossible.

Why? Why is impossible to write 50-60-70 story without gods?



Isaac Asimov wrote some coherent novel and roman about robots.
Then, some coherent novel and roman about Foundation and Empire.
Later, he interlaced them to a common saga.

Some other writers (R. Silverberg, B. Greg, B. Gregory, D. Brinn and more) wrote self-contained works - which fit into that saga.

As far as I know, without any god - Asimov was an atheist.
And the books are a little bigger than one "book" of the Bible or from BoM...

OK, it was only three or four decade, not thousands of years. We live faster than folks in copper age.

Or than Ötzi:




by the way
- a man who lived about 3,300 BC...
- a man who likely suffered a head injury before he died roughly 5,300 years ago (according to a new protein analysis of his brain tissue)

Sometimes I think we know more about him than Joe Smith - or at least facts wich are less controversial.

[Guest]

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[_LittleNipper]

People have never been sent to hell for questioning God. People go to hell because they presume self-righteousness. The atheist rejects God and salvation. He assumes that he himself is the inventor of "goodness." A "religious" person goes to hell as a result of holding to works as the means of attaining "their" form of godlyness. Abraham questioned God. Job did also --- as did Moses. Look at Timothy, he questioned the resurrection of Christ. It is when men reject God's salvation plan that upon death they are held accountable for their own transgressions.

How bout you nipper , have you ever questioned god?

So are you saying that as long as the questioning leads to believing god , then its ok? If it leads to more questioning or rejecting (even one peice of it) Then your done for , and your going to burn in hell?

OH ... and by the way ... what is wrong with a person believing they can be good by their own power of reasoning? Nobody said anything about inventing what is good , but being able to use our 5 senses & emotions to observe cause and effect , then reason out what is good and bad.

You seem to think we are just bags of mostly water that can't do squat ... maybe you are , but I am not!

Certainly! I have asked the question ---- why --- more than once. But speaking with God means one needs to believe in God and not just explain away everything that God sends our way.

[_Bazooka]

The possiblity that 66 books might be written over thousands of years by the hand of many individuals from various backgrounds in full agreement without the guidance of God is entirely impossible. In fact, the realities surrounding the existence of the Bible, totally underminds the Book of Mormon, in that only one man was involved in that presentation. There is no demonstration of like a collective mindedness. The Book of Mormon comes into being entirely through the hand of Mr. Smith.

Nipper, the Bible is a collection. A group of people who held a specific belief pulled together a series of documents that agreed with them, discounting the ones that didn't, and voila, The Bible came into existence. You trusting the Bible is still you trusting men, not God.

[_subgenius]

The possiblity that 66 books might be written over thousands of years by the hand of many individuals from various backgrounds in full agreement without the guidance of God is entirely impossible.

Why? Why is impossible to write 50-60-70 story without gods?...(snip)...

Perhaps impossible is mistakenly being used for the term "improbable".
Good science always maintains that the simplest explanation is often the best and correct explanation.
For example, let us say we found 3 pages of an ancient document that was similar in content and handwriting to another ancient document.
All things being equal, there are some "possible" explanation for these pages:
1. They were written by the same author.
2. They were written by three different authors who held similar beliefs and had similar handwriting

obviously either is possible...but #1 is the most probable.

[_LittleNipper]

[Why? Why is impossible to write 50-60-70 story without gods?...(snip)...

Perhaps impossible is mistakenly being used for the term "improbable".
Good science always maintains that the simplest explanation is often the best and correct explanation.
For example, let us say we found 3 pages of an ancient document that was similar in content and handwriting to another ancient document.
All things being equal, there are some "possible" explanation for these pages:
1. They were written by the same author.
2. They were written by three different authors who held similar beliefs and had similar handwriting

obviously either is possible...but #1 is the most probable.

Studies have shown that the Bible was written by multiple men. God applied their qualities to write what God wanted, when He wanted it, as He demands it to be.

[_ludwigm]

Studies have shown that the Bible was written by multiple men. God applied their qualities to write what God wanted, when He wanted it, as He demands it to be.

Common sense have shown that the Robot-Foundation-Empire saga was written and compiled together by multiple men. They used their qualities themselves what and when and how...

What is a difference?

[_Bazooka]

Studies have shown that the Bible was written by multiple men.

Exactly.

God applied their qualities to write what God wanted, when He wanted it, as He demands it to be.

Well, that's what the men told you had happened.


Who pulled the Bible together?