Science proves life after death

[_Quasimodo]

I can imagine my living room with and without a coffee table? Do both imaginings represent reality?

Yes.

When one is making choices, one usually imagines the possibilities. If 10 different options are imagined and one chosen, the 9 others influenced the choice of the one.

If by imagining your living room, (which has coffee table now) with or without a coffee table, the reality of the universe has changed. The image of the room without a coffee table might inspire you get rid of it, or confirm how much you like it.

Statistically, (I can guess) for every 1000 people that imagine their living room without a coffee room will git rid of the one they have. It has happened to me a couple of times.

If something has absolutely no influence, then it happened and never existed.

Even unicorns have influence over the world. People who believe in unicorns will behave differently then those that don't.

A thought has a certain psychic force. It might be a small force, or a large force, but every thought has force. Many (most) thoughts are subconscious and we feel the effect of them. A ghost could live in a thought. A ghost can invade your thoughts.

"This is not a pipe."

René Magritte was saying that the rendition of a pipe is not a pipe. I'm an illustrator, so I think I understand the process. Magritte probably looked at a real pipe as a model, created a three dimensional image of a pipe in his mind (imaginary), compressed that into two dimensions and painted it using artistic skills to create the illusion of a three dimentional pipe.

Pipes are real. The painting is real. The illusion of the pipe you see in the image is not. I think I hear what you are saying, but it doesn't really make much sense.

[_Maksutov]

Brilliant comment, Quasi. Our friend could study the Surrealists but at his own risk.

[_Quasimodo]

Brilliant comment, Quasi. Our friend could study the Surrealists but at his own risk.

Yep! Escher was almost a Surrealist, but his works do a very good job of explaining this, too. Art is all smoke and mirrors.

[_SPG]

If something has absolutely no influence, then it happened and never existed.

So things that don't exist still happen. That's interesting.

Never happened and never existed. grammar error.

[_SPG]

"This is not a pipe."

René Magritte was saying that the rendition of a pipe is not a pipe. I'm an illustrator, so I think I understand the process. Magritte probably looked at a real pipe as a model, created a three dimensional image of a pipe in his mind (imaginary), compressed that into two dimensions and painted it using artistic skills to create the illusion of a three dimentional pipe.

Pipes are real. The painting is real. The illusion of the pipe you see in the image is not. I think I hear what you are saying, but it doesn't really make much sense.

Pipes are not real either. If I carve a man out of stone, have I created a man?
Facts are not real either. Everything we consider real is based on the acceptance of ideas that no one can validate. For example, the pipe. Some call it a snorkflat, for making fine music. That some people have agreed that the above image is a pipe only makes it true for those people and it's not really true, merely embraced among them as true. A bird or mermaid might have completely different ideas what this is.

What can true, if there is such a thing, is the relative influence of the object/idea on others. If a man sees a ghost of his father and runs away screaming into the night, then he saw a ghost, just the same as if he had lit a pipe. The cancer he gets from smoking the pipe is just as real as the heart attack he had after seeing his father's ghost.

[_Themis]

If it doesn't work I don't accept that it is part of reality. If it does work then I accept it probably is, but I am always willing to look at new evidence. It's one thing to think of many possibilities, but I don't accept them as part of reality just because I can imagine them. I can imagine the possibility a teapot is currently orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter's orbits, but I am not justified in believing it is actually true. Now if I am given evidence from a satellite sent out and spotted the teapot then I would be justified. This is how we should approach every possibility we can come up with like aliens, afterlife, reincarnation, alternate realities/universes, etc.

[_SPG]

If it doesn't work I don't accept that it is part of reality. If it does work then I accept it probably is, but I am always willing to look at new evidence. It's one thing to think of many possibilities, but I don't accept them as part of reality just because I can imagine them. I can imagine the possibility a teapot is currently orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter's orbits, but I am not justified in believing it is actually true. Now if I am given evidence from a satellite sent out and spotted the teapot then I would be justified. This is how we should approach every possibility we can come up with like aliens, afterlife, reincarnation, alternate realities/universes, etc.

IMHO, the universe is sum-zero. Or in other words, for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.

According to Edison, for the plan that did work, there were 10,000 plans that didn't work. And that is part of reality A plan that doesn't work is like a brick in the wall. And reality is made of a lot of walls, a lot of what isn't possible.

As for your teapot orbiting Mars. If you can imagine it, there is a possibility of making it true. You might imagine it just to prove that it isn't true. I might tell my young daughter that we need to make it happen just to prove you wrong. And then in 50 years, we have a teapot orbiting Mars.

In a "absolute" sense, something happens or it doesn't, but time isn't a factor. Just because man hadn't landed on the moon in 1650 doesn't mean that man didn't land on the moon. And just because a teapot isn't orbiting Mars today doesn't mean that a teapot will never orbit Mars, or Jupiter. I hope that teapot doesn't belong to Captain Picard, cause that will probably mean his spaceship blew up during his tea time.

[_Res Ipsa]

I can imagine my living room with and without a coffee table? Do both imaginings represent reality?

Yes.

When one is making choices, one usually imagines the possibilities. If 10 different options are imagined and one chosen, the 9 others influenced the choice of the one.

If by imagining your living room, (which has coffee table now) with or without a coffee table, the reality of the universe has changed. The image of the room without a coffee table might inspire you get rid of it, or confirm how much you like it.

Statistically, (I can guess) for every 1000 people that imagine their living room without a coffee room will git rid of the one they have. It has happened to me a couple of times.

If something has absolutely no influence, then it never happened and never existed.

Even unicorns have influence over the world. People who believe in unicorns will behave differently then those that don't.

A thought has a certain psychic force. It might be a small force, or a large force, but every thought has force. Many (most) thoughts are subconscious and we feel the effect of them. A ghost could live in a thought. A ghost can invade your thoughts.

That doesn't get at what I'm asking. Of course things that a person imagines can affect that person's future actions which, in turn, can affect "reality." As I set here right now, I can imagine my living room both with and without a coffee table. Are you saying that right now it is true that there is and is not a coffee table in my living room?

[_Themis]

According to Edison, for the plan that did work, there were 10,000 plans that didn't work. And that is part of reality A plan that doesn't work is like a brick in the wall. And reality is made of a lot of walls, a lot of what isn't possible.

Edison would never have failed if he had done it the right way first. It's that he didn't know all the relaitied of it so he had to go through many tried to see what worked and what didn't.

As for your teapot orbiting Mars. If you can imagine it, there is a possibility of making it true.

That is not the point. The point is about whether one is justified in believing a tea pot is CURRENTLY orbiting the sun between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. The point is about what we are justified in believing. We are justified to come up with anything we can imagine. We are not justified in believing they are true without sufficient evidence.

[_SPG]

That is not the point. The point is about whether one is justified in believing a tea pot is CURRENTLY orbiting the sun between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. The point is about what we are justified in believing. We are justified to come up with anything we can imagine. We are not justified in believing they are true without sufficient evidence.

With consciousness, "desire" is the only justification needed for creation. There is no cosmic rule that says, "you must have your beliefs justified to work" beyond wanting it.

Religion of old, and perhaps modern, is our subconscious trying to talk to us. All the stories of gods, sons of gods, goddesses killing their sons, daughters killing their fathers, etc, is all part of our subconsciousness trying to communicate to us the nature of life force. The madness that gives us life would never suit modern civilization.

By believing something, whether true or not, we give our mind a psychic outlet of confused and twisted energy.