In Mormonism the earth IS 10,000 years old...

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bcspace wrote:
Since "day" in Genesis can be multiple things, how do you know that day elsewhere in the Book of Abraham doesn't mean multiple things? Both Genesis and the Book of Abraham are translations......



Got it.
You are going with the Ash defence of everything can mean something else if you want it to. Nice play.
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Drifting wrote:
Drifting wrote:
Bcspace, when was Adam on the earth according to LDS Bible chronology?
How long is one of the Lords days according to LDS scripture?


Bump to see if subgenius has the minerals to answer directly these questions (unlike bcspace)......



Has subgenius left the building...?
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Even more troubling for the LDS believer - no worship of Jesus or even Yahweh at the proscribed time of Adam - all "pagan" gods in 4000 BC and earlier. Yahweh & El came much later.
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SteelHead wrote:Based on what I have seen from his replies...... I think it is safe to say, by subgenius's definition the LDS church has no official doctrines.


"With divine inspiration, the First Presidency... and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles... counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four ‘standard works' of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith."
-Approaching Mormon Doctrine, May 2007 (Official Church Statement)

This has been consistently seen throughout the prophets use of revelation being seen as pertinent to the times. For example BY taught principles relative to the 19th century that may not have been relative to the 20th or 21st centuries.
"Because different times present different challenges, modern-day prophets receive revelation relevant to the circumstances of their day. This follows the biblical pattern (Amos 3:7), in which God communicated messages and warnings to His people through prophets in order to secure their well-being. "
-Approaching Mormon Doctrine, May 2007 (Official Church Statement)


The "core" doctrine of the church has always been as stated here:

"The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it."
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 121.)
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Sorry sub but Teachings of the Prophet is a non-authoritative source.
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SteelHead wrote:Sorry sub but Teachings of the Prophet is a non-authoritative source.

but it illustrates the point being made from the "authoritative source"
read for comprehension
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Drifting wrote:I've underlined the pertinent and explicit part of the scripture.

and yet you still seem to ignore what it says

If you look in your LDS scriptures, in the Bible Dictionary part under 'chronology' I think you'll find the bit where it explcitlty paces Adam at 4,000 bc.

Bible chronology deals with fixing the exact dates of the various events recorded. For the earliest parts of O.T. history we rely entirely on the scripture itself; but the Hebrew Bible, the Septuagint or Greek translation, and the Samaritan Pentateuch do not agree together, so that many dates cannot be fixed with certainty.
i underlined the pertinent and explicit parts of the scripture http://LDS.org/scriptures/bd/chronology ... query=adam

see also last post on this page
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21703&start=63
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Subgenius

You seem to have missed pasting the part where the exact date for Adam is printed. Perhaps just an oversight on your part so no need to thank me for correcting that...

Chronology. Bible chronology deals with fixing the exact dates of the various events recorded. For the earliest parts of O.T. history we rely entirely on the scripture itself; but the Hebrew Bible, the Septuagint or Greek translation, and the Samaritan Pentateuch do not agree together, so that many dates cannot be fixed with certainty. From the time of David onwards we get much assistance from secular history, e.g., inscriptions on monuments and other state records. Much work has still to be done in this direction. The dates found at the top of many printed English Bibles are due to Archbishop Ussher. Some of them have been shown to be incorrect.

CHRONOLOGICAL TABLES
Sequence of Events in the Days of the Early Patriarchs

B.C.

4000

Fall of Adam.

Ministry of Enoch.

Ministry of Noah; the Flood.

Tower of Babel.


From the LDS scriptural chronology
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Drifting wrote:
... The dates found at the top of many printed English Bibles are due to Archbishop Ussher. Some of them have been shown to be incorrect.....

From the LDS scriptural chronology


nope, i did not miss that.
again, your OP was about "literally", and there seems to be plenty of LDS support (as i have posted ad nausea-um) for your OP to be as i already stated....that is to say, incorrect.
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subgenius wrote:
nope, i did not miss that.
again, your OP was about "literally", and there seems to be plenty of LDS support (as i have posted ad nausea-um) for your OP to be as i already stated....that is to say, incorrect.


Subgenius - the Church literally and explicitly publishes the date of 4,000 bc as the date for Adam. The Church may think some dates are incorrect, which is why they don't publish those in doubt. This one they publish. Get it?
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